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Black cab fuel charge row



BLACK cab passengers could be paying a fuel surcharge by Christmas - despite the falling cost of diesel.

Black cab drivers claim the 20p extra charge for each journey is still needed because their costs have rocketed since April.

But bus company Rossendale Transport, which uses 45,000 litres of fuel a week, has announced it will slash fares after imposing a surcharge in July. Meanwhile, M.E.N readers have reacted angrily to news of fare increases at a time when fuel is going down. At the end of August, Manchester council allowed the 20p flat rate taxi surcharge after a plea from the Manchester branch of the Taxi Owners and Drivers Association (TODA).

Originally, the drivers had wanted a 40p flat rate increase, claiming they were out of pocket by £40 a week because of fuel rises. Some drivers were even demanding a 60p flat rate increase. Fares could have gone up as soon as Thursday.

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But after a public notice was published in the M.E.N, a member of the public objected to the plans - automatically stalling the increase. The plans will be now have to be discussed again at a meeting of the Licensing and Appeals Committee on November 24. The increase would then have to be introduced by a December 4 deadline.

TODA secretary George Simms said: "We still need this increase because of our extra costs since April. It only lasts until next April, when fares will be under discussion again." Petrol prices in August rose to £1.20p a litre, but unleaded petrol has dropped to as low as 97.9p a litre, while diesel, which hackney carriages use, has dropped to under £1.06p a litre.

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An M.E.N street poll found public opinion was largely against the 20p surcharge. John Lindsey, 61, an insurance broker from Bury, said: "The extra charge doesn't sound right. I sympathised with taxi firms when petrol prices were higher, but now they should recognise the prices has dropped." Steve Field, 48, a local government officer from Prestwich, said: "It's a rip-off. Taxis are very expensive anyway - you pay a fiver to go less than a mile."

Paul Risby, 48, an electrician from Broadway Road, Sale, said: "I think it's typical of people in a position where they can get away with charging excessive costs. "t's very annoying. Vulnerable people who need to use taxis and can't really afford it are being exploited. It's unfair on older people who need to use taxis for shopping, getting out of the house and visiting people nearer Christmas."

Angela Carradus, 43, a hair and make-up artist at the Library Theatre, who lives in the city centre, said: "It's not so great news. Putting charges up is just moving the goalposts. As a small business owner I know you must reflect what the customers need - you can't just raise the charge."

However, Paul Meek, of Manchester's Private Hire Owners and Drivers Association, has defended cabbies. He told the M.E.N: "I'm in sympathy with the hackney drivers - when fuel started going up we had to increase our fares too, but we didn't have to go through a laborious process to do it. "The process has taken so long that the hackney drivers are trying to get back money that they paid out earlier this year. Meanwhile, fuel prices will probably go up again within two to three months." Coun Tony Burns, who chaired the licensing committee meeting at which the increase was agreed, said: "This increase will be constantly monitored by the committee, and if it is imposed, could be removed before next April."

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But after a public notice was published in the M.E.N, a member of the public objected to the plans - automatically stalling the increase. The plans will be now have to be discussed again at a meeting of the Licensing and Appeals Committee on November 24. The increase would then have to be introduced by a December 4 deadline.


Is that right? I thought if the committee listen to the objection and dont consider it valid, the fares would go up with immediate effect?

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But after a public notice was published in the M.E.N, a member of the public objected to the plans - automatically stalling the increase. The plans will be now have to be discussed again at a meeting of the Licensing and Appeals Committee on November 24. The increase would then have to be introduced by a December 4 deadline.


Is that right? I thought if the committee listen to the objection and dont consider it valid, the fares would go up with immediate effect?

I think December 4th is the last date not the first date. :roll:

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But after a public notice was published in the M.E.N, a member of the public objected to the plans - automatically stalling the increase. The plans will be now have to be discussed again at a meeting of the Licensing and Appeals Committee on November 24. The increase would then have to be introduced by a December 4 deadline.


Is that right? I thought if the committee listen to the objection and dont consider it valid, the fares would go up with immediate effect?

I think December 4th is the last date not the first date. :roll:


I thought it was 14 days after an advertisement in the press? (if there was no objection)

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captain cab wrote:

I thought it was 14 days after an advertisement in the press? (if there was no objection)

More than likely, but I suspect the Dec date is a date, decided by the LOs, for the practicalities of changing all the meters.

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I thought it was 14 days after an advertisement in the press? (if there was no objection)

More than likely, but I suspect the Dec date is a date, decided by the LOs, for the practicalities of changing all the meters.


This 20p has been charged since april.

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Sussex wrote:
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I thought it was 14 days after an advertisement in the press? (if there was no objection)

More than likely, but I suspect the Dec date is a date, decided by the LOs, for the practicalities of changing all the meters.


Just read this bit; Fares could have gone up as soon as Thursday.

Should clear that up :wink:

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I get the idea that Manchester's Evening paper doesnt like the cab trade much;

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Petrol prices in August rose to £1.20p a litre, but unleaded petrol has dropped to as low as 97.9p a litre, while diesel, which hackney carriages use, has dropped to under £1.06p a litre.


In a story about 'Black Cabs' surely giving figures of the fuel that the vehicles actually need would have been fairer?

A more accurate reflection would have been Derv rose to £1.35p, and has dropped back to £1.08p

Not sure if thats right grandad....

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9267&highlight=manchester+fares

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I may have mis understood something. I thought that this was a 20p surcharge that had been in place from April for 1 year. I stand corrected. :oops:

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grandad wrote:
I may have mis understood something. I thought that this was a 20p surcharge that had been in place from April for 1 year. I stand corrected. :oops:


I dont think you did, I tend to think the paper doesnt like the cab trade.

It mentions Rossendale 'slashing' bus fares.....but half way through the same paragraph it mentions a 'surcharge' applied in July.....now you know and I know a bus company can put a fare up fairly quickly....the HC trade cant!

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But bus company Rossendale Transport, which uses 45,000 litres of fuel a week, has announced it will slash fares after imposing a surcharge in July. ."


For TWO reasons.
1 They are in competition with First Bus
2 They are still owned and subsidised by Rossendale Council even though most of their services operate outside the borough.

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2 They are still owned and subsidised by Rossendale Council even though most of their services operate outside the borough.

Not twined with Berwick by any chance is it? :?

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Taxi drivers hike fares



TAXI drivers are to hike their fares after controversial new charges were approved by town hall bosses.

Hackney carriage drivers in Manchester will add a 20p fuel surcharge to each journey - regardless of distance - to compensate them for the increase in petrol prices earlier in the year.

The move has been approved even though petrol prices have fallen over the last few weeks.

And a barrier charge for journeys to Manchester Airport will also increase, with 30p added to the existing 40p fee.

The charges were approved by Manchester's licensing committee and are likely to be in place by early December.

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A request for a temporary fuel surcharge was put in by the Manchester branch of the Taxi Owners and Drivers Association (TODA) during the summer as pump prices reached an all-time high.

They initially asked for 40p but licensing bosses have approved the 20p premium despite fierce objection from the city's pub and club owners who claim it will put people off coming into central Manchester and say it is unwarranted now that fuel prices have dropped.

TODA had asked to take the total of the airport charge to £1.

The charges are expected to receive final approval at a full council meeting next week and could be introduced by December 10.

The fuel surcharge is expected to remain in place until the next fare review by the council, scheduled for April 1.

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Phil Burke, spokesman for Manchester Pub and Club Network, said: "We're very disappointed that the Hackney carriage drivers have gone cap in hand to the council for this surcharge. We already have major problems with drivers cherry picking the most profitable jobs and this will only serve to put people off coming into the city centre. This should not have been granted.

"Everyone was affected by the fuel crisis and who's to say they won't ask for more money if petrol prices increase again. Once implemented, it will be very difficult to remove. We would like to work with drivers to find a fairer solution for everyone."

George Simms, of TODA, dismissed objectors as 'daft' and added: "We're pleased to have got the fuel surcharge but not as happy as we might be on the airport decision.

"We're also facing a technical difficulty with that as the metre only goes up by 20p a time."

Coun Richard Cowell, Manchester's member for the environment, said: "This short term measure will cover the cost of higher fuel prices earlier in the year."

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