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Requirement for London operator’s licence

(1) No person shall in London operate any vehicle **including a "hackney carriage" as a private hire vehicle** or make provision for the invitation or acceptance of a private hire booking for either a hackney carriage or private hire vehicle, without holding a current London Private hire operators license. (as is referred to in this act as a London PHV operators license).

(2) A person who makes provision for the invitation or acceptance of private hire bookings, or who accepts such a booking, in contravention of this section is guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 4 on the standard scale.
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I shall post all the other amendments on my return tomorrow.

Regards

JD

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They tried this on in my area, Selby, North Yorkshire and even started to covertly ring Hackney Carriage drivers' numbers to see if any were accepting bookings but eventually the idea of Hackneys having Private Hire Operators licences was dropped. I think the LA found out that it was on a sticky wicket with that one as the legality of it was in question.

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Unite and fight

So if someone calls GBC to book and he accepts it he would be breaking the law

It will be interesting to see how many people are stupid enough to believe this twaddle

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Exactly.

Regards

JD

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I think the answer to the Berwick mess, if folks think it's a mess, is for the onus to be put on the operators, not the one-man taxi bands.

I'm certain it's not beyond the wit of man for a wording to compiled allowing just that.

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IDFIMH

I can do that up to 100 times on a Saturday that's how we work here
We work the rank and take calls in the cab

The penny has just dropped your on about the brain dead Bolton idiots who are trying to change things and not the PCO mind you there not much difference

Question;

At the moment, is there any legislation that would stop ComCab in London from having a Liverpool, Birmingham or Truro Hackney Carriage operating on their system?

Or for that matter a PHV from anywhere in the country?

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Kind regards,

Brummie Cabbie.

Type a message, post your news,
Disagree with other members' views;
But please, do have some decorum,
When debating on the TDO Forum.

No, and the same applies for the reverse, especially as ComCab's call center is in Scotland.

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IDFIMH

Skippy... I an surprised you're not advising everyone to take it to the European courts.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

The only person who is suggesting that drivers should be stopped from taking phone calls in their vehicles is JD.... and some idiots seem to believe him...... what more can I say.... Black sheep always lead the flock....

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

I thought the black sheep was the outcast not the leader.

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Grandad,

The leader... the Judas lamb that leads them to slaughter.. is referred to as the black sheep

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

No person shall in a controlled district operate any vehicle including a hackney carriage as a private hire vehicle without having a current licence under section 55 of this Act issued by the council of the area in which the operator is based.

We know your are not the sharpest knife in the draw therefore we have to make allowances.

Should I explain it line by line?

No person shall in a controlled district operate any vehicle including a **hackney carriage** as a **private hire vehicle**.

Do you follow that? Does everybody else follow that?

Without having a current license under section 55 of the 1976 act

You still following?

issued by the council of the **area** in which the **operator** is **based**.

I think that's simplistic enough for even the mindless bunch to understand but oddly enough many people are wondering why you and the other non cab drivers of this mindless bunch are trying to tell us cab drivers how we should operate?

So pray tell us, why do we need these changes and how will we benefit?

Lets go top part 2 shall we?

"Operate" means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle or **hackney carriage** save for any occasions where the driver of a hackney carriage whilst within **their own district,** accepts a booking for a future date.

Do you also require a line by line breakdown of that little lot? Let me explain what it means.

"Operate" means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle or **hackney carriage**

That's self explanatory isn't it?

If you don't understand it, which it appears you don't then I'll explain that it means "anyone taking a booking for a hackney carriage vehicle needs a private hire operators license".

Now the nitty gritty!

"save for any occasions where the driver of a hackney carriage whilst within **their own district,** accepts a booking for a future date."

This is what you prefer not to understand and it doesn't surprise me in the least because everyone would have the same difficulty in deciphering its meaning.

People looking at that passage would probably think it was gobbledygook and they would be right. The reason they would be right is because it does not define what a "booking for a future date" amounts to, or how the booking can legally be accepted?

What it does clearly describe is no matter what a booking for a "future date" actually means, it can only be accepted while the driver is within the licensed area and not outside the licensed area. That means a hackney carriage driver cannot accept a mobile booking outside the licensed area because he would need to be licensed within that particular area.

Therefore if he did accept a booking by way of mobile phone he commits an offence.

All we need to determine now is what is meant by "future date" and how a booking can be accepted?

It is already established in the proposed amendment that only a hackney carriage driver can take a booking for a "future date" and not any of his friends, relatives or agents. So what does "future date" actually mean in the context of this amendment and how could anyone be so stupid as not to define the definition or the circumstances under which the bookings are to be accepted?

The words "future and date" are self explanatory but the provision for acceptance is not, in fact it is non existent and defies logic.

"Within their own District" is self explanatory but if the purpose of these amendments were to stop so called cross border hiring but to protect the independence of hackney carriage drivers within their own district then the wording of this amendment should have read like this.
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"Operate" means in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle or **hackney carriage** save for any occasions where the driver of a hackney carriage or his agent whilst within **their own district,** makes provision for the acceptance of "bookings" under a contract of immediate or future hire and regardless of where or how such provision is made, accepted or recorded.
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I suppose such wording was beyond the wit of the mindless men.

That however does not solve the problem of hackney carriage drivers not being able to accept mobile phone bookings outside their own area or indeed solve the problem of the freedom of movement currently enjoyed by hackney carriage drivers.

You Mr T are joke of the highest order and so it would appear are most of this mindless bunch. If it wasn't for this website the UK taxi trade would be none the wiser to your antics.

Regards

Dennis the F - - - - - G Menace.

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