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| Author: | Capt Taxi [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Road Pricing |
According to London's Evening Substandard newspaper road pricing is on its way. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti ... article.do So where does the taxi industry fit in? Do we pay per mile? Are we exempt? Imagine the fun when you visit your account with reams of invoices for the miles you've driven. The last time road pricing was proposed there was a deafening silence from the taxi trade. No doubt same again.... |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Road Pricing |
Capt Taxi wrote: So where does the taxi industry fit in?
Firstly I don't think any government will do this nationally, but in answer to your question I'm certain as certain can be the taxi/PH trade will be exempt. Else they will have to answer to me. 
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| Author: | jasbar [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:28 pm ] |
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Aren't we swiftly heading to the point where government will need to be resisted with a gun? (For the government imbeciles who may be monitoring this site, I declare at the outset that I offer this as a warning, not a threat) Government is supposed to exist to serve us. Now it is becoming our master. Anyone still believe we live in a democracy? Perhaps the breathtaking thing is that in the the face of totalitarian government, complete erseholes like Capt Taxi can only focus on how he can still make a buck in the midst of government oppression. Perhaps the first 9mm injection may be allocated to those such as him? |
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| Author: | Skull [ Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:52 pm ] |
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jasbar wrote: Aren't we swiftly heading to the point where government will need to be resisted with a gun?
(For the government imbeciles who may be monitoring this site, I declare at the outset that I offer this as a warning, not a threat) Government is supposed to exist to serve us. Now it is becoming our master. Anyone still believe we live in a democracy? Perhaps the breathtaking thing is that in the the face of totalitarian government, complete erseholes like Capt Taxi can only focus on how he can still make a buck in the midst of government oppression. Perhaps the first 9mm injection may be allocated to those such as him? That's a bit harsh but then again . . . . 
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Road Pricing |
Sussex wrote: Capt Taxi wrote: So where does the taxi industry fit in? Firstly I don't think any government will do this nationally, but in answer to your question I'm certain as certain can be the taxi/PH trade will be exempt. Else they will have to answer to me. If PH and HC become Exempt then the Clever drivers will get a PH Licence, even if they never pick up a single passenger they will save money. only way round this is to restrict/regulate the amount of Current PH licences. If there is a silver lining to this dark cloud it is that it will secure the Death of Labour at the next election..never before has there been such a deranged kamikaze Government that believe they are always right and the people that voted them in always wrong. |
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| Author: | jasbar [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:43 am ] |
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Isn't it interesting that you see the solution as restricting PHC. This will never happen. The real solution is in the professionalism of the hackney trade. Its ability to compete. There again, only a real businessman would understand this. |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:12 pm ] |
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jasbar wrote: Isn't it interesting that you see the solution as restricting PHC. This will never happen. The real solution is in the professionalism of the hackney trade. Its ability to compete. There again, only a real businessman would understand this. There again, only a real businessman would understand this.[/quote] Be a very Clever and Professional HC that can still get a single Customer after the Government makes him pay up to £1.30 Per Mile. this on top of £200 a year road tax and £1.30+ a Litre diesel. you would have a Travel cost of around £1.50 per mile even before Vehicle costs and profit Margins come into play, Add in these and the Very least you could charge is around £2.00 Per mile travelled by the Vehicle whether the Customers in it or not. So a Passenger trip of around 50 miles to a destination and a 50 mile return (empty) trip would in theory cost £200.00. So Mr Professional HC driver...do you think there will be much call for Taxis at those kind of prices. You couldnt even quote an accurate price of a Journey in advance as there would be different Zones of Pricing on different roads, this being compounded further by Different Charge rates at different times of day. you may well discover that youve done the run for Nowt by the time the Spy in the Sky sends you your monthly invoice. and guess who will be paying for that little black spy box In the back of your cab...You!!! |
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| Author: | Capt Taxi [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:53 pm ] |
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Surely this is one area that both taxi and PH should agree on? No road pricing - at all. No exemptions,discounts,black boxes etc Interested to know what other roadusers (haulage,reps,etc) think. This nasty little plan should be nipped in the bud,just like the last time. Don't let it creep back in stealth. |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:17 pm ] |
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Capt Taxi wrote: Surely this is one area that both taxi and PH should agree on?
No road pricing - at all. No exemptions,discounts,black boxes etc Interested to know what other roadusers (haulage,reps,etc) think. This nasty little plan should be nipped in the bud,just like the last time. Don't let it creep back in stealth. Aye Aye Captain...you have my 100% backing on this one. |
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| Author: | jasbar [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:55 pm ] |
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bloodnock wrote: jasbar wrote: Isn't it interesting that you see the solution as restricting PHC. This will never happen. The real solution is in the professionalism of the hackney trade. Its ability to compete. There again, only a real businessman would understand this. There again, only a real businessman would understand this. Be a very Clever and Professional HC that can still get a single Customer after the Government makes him pay up to £1.30 Per Mile. this on top of £200 a year road tax and £1.30+ a Litre diesel. you would have a Travel cost of around £1.50 per mile even before Vehicle costs and profit Margins come into play, Add in these and the Very least you could charge is around £2.00 Per mile travelled by the Vehicle whether the Customers in it or not. So a Passenger trip of around 50 miles to a destination and a 50 mile return (empty) trip would in theory cost £200.00. So Mr Professional HC driver...do you think there will be much call for Taxis at those kind of prices. You couldnt even quote an accurate price of a Journey in advance as there would be different Zones of Pricing on different roads, this being compounded further by Different Charge rates at different times of day. you may well discover that youve done the run for Nowt by the time the Spy in the Sky sends you your monthly invoice. and guess who will be paying for that little black spy box In the back of your cab...You!!![/quote] Perhaps the naive thing about this is that you only see the pricing as the problem. I don't. Any increase in prices would be absorbed by inflation. And that may be the factor that ensures roads pricing will remain politically unpopular. On the other hand, I see road pricing, spy-in-the-sky, as an infringement of civil liberties. Does it not even begin to concern you that the government is putting systems in place, like this, ID card database etc., to monitor us and control us? Servant becomes the master. Does this not concern you at all? 
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:16 pm ] |
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Both concern me. Two very good reasons to ditch this plan 
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| Author: | jasbar [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:54 pm ] |
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gusmac wrote: Both concern me. Two very good reasons to ditch this plan
So, why is the fascist Labour party so keen on this? |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:24 pm ] |
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jasbar wrote: bloodnock wrote: jasbar wrote: Isn't it interesting that you see the solution as restricting PHC. This will never happen. The real solution is in the professionalism of the hackney trade. Its ability to compete. There again, only a real businessman would understand this. There again, only a real businessman would understand this. Be a very Clever and Professional HC that can still get a single Customer after the Government makes him pay up to £1.30 Per Mile. this on top of £200 a year road tax and £1.30+ a Litre diesel. you would have a Travel cost of around £1.50 per mile even before Vehicle costs and profit Margins come into play, Add in these and the Very least you could charge is around £2.00 Per mile travelled by the Vehicle whether the Customers in it or not. So a Passenger trip of around 50 miles to a destination and a 50 mile return (empty) trip would in theory cost £200.00. So Mr Professional HC driver...do you think there will be much call for Taxis at those kind of prices. You couldnt even quote an accurate price of a Journey in advance as there would be different Zones of Pricing on different roads, this being compounded further by Different Charge rates at different times of day. you may well discover that youve done the run for Nowt by the time the Spy in the Sky sends you your monthly invoice. and guess who will be paying for that little black spy box In the back of your cab...You!!! Perhaps the naive thing about this is that you only see the pricing as the problem. I don't. Any increase in prices would be absorbed by inflation. And that may be the factor that ensures roads pricing will remain politically unpopular. On the other hand, I see road pricing, spy-in-the-sky, as an infringement of civil liberties. Does it not even begin to concern you that the government is putting systems in place, like this, ID card database etc., to monitor us and control us? Servant becomes the master. Does this not concern you at all? [/quote]
Concerns everyone Id guess...thats why any party wanting power should condem it outright and they would be A dead cert to win the next election. It just beggars belief that this current Government of Nulab can think were all going to takes its crap...have they gone completely mad??? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Road Pricing |
bloodnock wrote: If PH and HC become Exempt then the Clever drivers will get a PH Licence, even if they never pick up a single passenger they will save money.
I'm not so sure about that. In my area it costs at least £500 (in money and time spent) to get a driver's license. You then need an annual badge license and a vehicle license, which added to the cost of a higher value vehicle, could add up. Then you will need an operator's license if you haven't got your car on a circuit, and with that in many areas you also need planning permission. If anywhere this was at presently happen it would be London, where folks could avoid the congestion charge, and I'm not sure it does to any large extent. |
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| Author: | bloodnock [ Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Road Pricing |
Sussex wrote: bloodnock wrote: If PH and HC become Exempt then the Clever drivers will get a PH Licence, even if they never pick up a single passenger they will save money. I'm not so sure about that. In my area it costs at least £500 (in money and time spent) to get a driver's license. You then need an annual badge license and a vehicle license, which added to the cost of a higher value vehicle, could add up. Then you will need an operator's license if you haven't got your car on a circuit, and with that in many areas you also need planning permission. If anywhere this was at presently happen it would be London, where folks could avoid the congestion charge, and I'm not sure it does to any large extent. How do small one man bands operate in England? does the Owner driver need 3 Licences, one for Himself, one for His Car and one as an Operator. And does that same Operator need a dedicated office and phone minder to take all his bookings? or does the owner driver just switch the office phone to call divert? ..... A thick Jock here!! |
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