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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:59 am 
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There once was a fellow called Farage
Foreign folk he was inclined to disparage
He headed up north
His aim to spout forth
And lecture us all with his garbage.

“There was a time that you all would say ‘who?’
‘This Nigel guy what does he do?’
I’ll campaign till I’m hoarse
We’re the new coming force
I had a member and now I’ve got two.”

Some hecklers came in where he sat
Slavering on like a prat
He settled his tab
Said, “Call me a cab”
We could call you far worse things than that.

He phoned up the Beeb for a moan
“These jockos just won’t let me drone.”
But given a stage
He went in a rage
And promptly then hung up the phone.

“These fascists were oh so unfair
They said stick your union jack WHERE?”
We’d help you, dear Nige
But we just can’t oblige
Cos your head is already stuck there.


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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:38 pm 
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Nae Chance Nigel! Edinburgh’s Lament

by Andrew Redmond Barr May 19, 2013


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Big Nige from UKIP came to Scotland last week to launch a campaign for a by-election happening in Aberdeen. Well, it’s close enough, isnt it? Maybe it’s something to do with UKIP having branches all over England and just one for the whole of Scotland. That’ll do, won’t it?

But for future reference, in case he needs a hand, here’s my wee guide:


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See, those Glaswegians might think us Edinburgh folk are a soft touch. But a man who’s so much of a Tory that he’s no longer a Tory coming to abolish our parliament and finger-wag at our minorities was clearly too much for the locals.

Below is a song by musician Steve Byrne, who runs a singing club at Edinburgh’s Canons’ Gait pub. It’s called ’Lament on the predicament of the Member of the European Parliament for South East England’.


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Listen here http://soundcloud.com/byrnesteve/lament ... icament-of.

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As I went oot last Thursday tae ging fir a jar,
Ah walked doon the Mile tae the Canon’s Gait bar;
But fit aa that I tried I jist couldna get in -
There wis some how-d’ye-do on the haill efternin!

Wi a toot-a-lye, oor-a-lye, oot-a-lye ay!

Noo o aa this commotion I couldna mak sense,
Till some lad cried oot, “it’s a press conference,
O some chiel caad Nigel, come up fae the sooth,
And a big pile o haivers jist cam oot o his mooth!”

Noo it turnt oot the Polis had phoned up the bar,
And said, “Nigel is comin, he fancies a jar”
They ran roond wi a hoover and gied it a dicht,
But they werna tae ken whit wid follae that nicht.

Noo Nigel cam in wi his big stripey tie,
He ordered a pint wi a glint in his eye,
He posed fir a photie, he didna look glum,
Till oot in the street, the crowd it cried “scum!”

So the barkeeper thocht, “Oh jings, here we go!”
He said tae auld Nigel, “that’s the end o the show”,
But he couldna get oot and he coudlna bide in!
Whit could Nigel dae, there wis nae place tae rin!

So he stuck oot his hand and he tried fir a cab.
The driver took one look and then he took aff!
He said “Nae chance Nigel, I’ll no tak yer far,
I’ve heard aa the pish that ye spout on the air!

It turned oot fir Nigel this wisna his day,
There wis nae easy option fir a quick getaway!
The taxis said Nigel, “Are ye haein a laugh?”
Wi that famous auld welcome, cried
“Come on, get aff!”

So that plan abandoned, the polis decide -
“Anither wee snifter, we’ll ging back inside!”
They slammed the doors shut, as up came the cheers
“Ye’re a bawbag, ye’re a bawbag and ye’re no welcome here!”

By this time the telly and meedja’d arrived
Oh whit wid he dae? How wid Nigel survive?
Auld Reike’s famed polis cam up wi a plan
They’d tak him awa in the back o a van”

Noo afore ye ging thinkin we’re racist up here,
I’d like tae correct ye, ye’re mistaken I fear!
We tak Smith white or tartan, even fowk up fae Herne
Cos like Hamish telt us, we’re aa Adam’s bairns!

For in Scotland we’ve aye been a civilised crew;
If ye look oot fir me, then I’ll look oot fir you!
Dinna come tae Auld Reikie, a-spreadin yer muck,
Ye’ll soon find the locals will get ye tae….

Be ye English or Pole or Romanian or Jute
If ye bide here it’s your hame, o that hae nae doot!
So think on auld Nigel and be shair taek tak note
next year when ye ging oot and cast yer Yes vote!

Andrew Redmond Barr
National Collective


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:48 am 
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At the end of the day he's saying what people have wanting to hear for the last 3 years. We can't keep throwing £150billion a year at the EU and then say, "it's a good deal for the UK".

If he's true to his words and pulls the UK out of the EU he'll get my vote every time.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 3:18 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:

If he's true to his words and pulls the UK out of the EU he'll get my vote every time.


Then what?

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 3:21 pm 
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The Search for Change

by Craig Murray May 21, 2013

The linked long term phenomena of falling electoral turnout and a decreasing percentage of those who do vote, voting for the two main parties, leaves politicians in power with the active support of an increasingly small minority of the population. To date this has not seriously impacted on consent – the Majority are apathetic, and devoid both of interesting sources of useful political information, and of social cohesion. Membership of organisations of horizontal solidarity is also in long term decline.

I would love to see an attempt at long term quantification of the difference between the parties in terms of the manifesto policies they offer. I have no doubt that there will be a very sharp reduction in difference, or rather policy convergence between the parties. If you look at 1911 – social insurance, pensions, power of the hereditary aristocracy, 1945 – nationalisation of major industries, initiation of the NHS and full welfare state, and 1983 – privatisation, nuclear weapons – there were very real and sharp political differences that offered voters a distinct ideological choice. The country – and your own future – could be recognisably different dependent on for whom you voted.

The last two times our government changed parties, the new party came in to pledge to continue the fiscal measures already projected by the treasury under its predecessors. Anyone who believes the Treasury would be fundamentally different under Balls or Osborne is delusional, and responding to tribalism not real difference. Who introduced tuition fees? New Labour. Who accelerated the “marketization” of the NHS? New Labour. Who vastly expanded PFI? New Labour. Who bailed out the banks? New Labour.

In effect, the parties offer exactly the same neo-con policies. NATO, Trident, Occupation of Afghanistan, Privatisation, Tuition Fees – the only apparent alternative at the last election came from the Lib Dems, and the electorate grasped at it in larger numbers than a third party had ever received before, something we have quickly forgotten. The reason that we have forgotten it is that Clegg, who was never any kind of Liberal, dumped the entire radical heritage of his party as soon as he came to power.

There is a much wider point to what happened to the Lib Dems. Two other changes – the introduction of PR for the European Parliament, and the large increase in expenses for MP’s staff – had made a radical change to that party. Lib Dem conferences were suddenly places of power dressing, not woolly jumpers. A great many young professional politicos – MPs research assistants, and staffers from Brussels – were all over the place. Bright, presentable, highly paid, most of them had no connection with liberalism, had never read John Stuart Mill or Hazlitt, had no idea who Lloyd George was and cared less. They had latched on to a rung of paid political work, had become part of the political class – that was the entire purpose of their activity. The woolly jumpered chap who had campaigned about paving stones in Salisbury and passionately wanted to abolish Trident and adopt green energy became sidelined, an amusing anachronism, the subject of the jokes of the sophisticates.

Of course, their focus groups showed that the people want policies which the ever shrinking ownership of the mass media promotes, because they are the only policies they have ever heard of. But the people no longer trust the ownership of the media, and the expenses scandal caused a much-needed scepticism of the appalling political class. People are desperate for leaders who look honest and say something different.

So do not despise UKIP supporters. They are not vicious racists. They are in fact brighter than those stupid enough to continue voting for the three neo-con parties, despite having their lives crippled for the next three decades to pay unconceivable sums to the bankers. The UKIP voters at least wish to punish the political class and wish to hear of some different policies.

The problem is that the only alternative of which the mainstream media is prepared to inform them is Mr Farage and his simple anti-foreigner maxims. Many of the bankers are keen to leave the EU, as Nigel Lawson told us. So if people want an alternative, that is the one they will be offered. Only in Scotland have people been offered a more radical alternative – and while I do not wish to exaggerate the economic radicalism of the SNP, they are markedly to the left of Westminster on issues like tuition fees, healthcare and PFI.

The great question of the day is, how to put before the population, in a way that they will notice, a radical alternative other than simple right wing populism. I have a strong belief that there remains a real desire in society for a more social policy, for a major and real check on the huge divergence between rich and poor, for good public services, for a pacific foreign policy, and for leaders not just in it for the money or to promote wealthy interests. But how do you get that message to people?

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From comments made, there must be an ambiguity about this article which I don’t see myself. I made this clarification in a comment and I add it here for certainty:

Of course UKIP are not a real alternative. I said “do not despise UKIP supporters”, not “do not despise UKIP”. UKIP are a false “alternative” dangled by the mainstream media and the bankers. But the support for them is evidence that the public do very much want some alternative. I shall append this to the article as it must be more ambiguous than I thought.


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:55 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:

If he's true to his words and pulls the UK out of the EU he'll get my vote every time.


Then what?



We'll become a Sovereign Nation like Norway, Canada, Australia and many other English speaking countries around the world who stand on their own two feet and are not spunking billions into other countries to stabilise them.


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You'll become a country which imports far more than it exports, lacks resources and is wholly at the mercy of the banks.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:14 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
You'll become a country which imports far more than it exports, lacks resources and is wholly at the mercy of the banks.


Bring it on,the sooner the better,your right about imports,we certainly import more foreigners than we export?


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:20 pm 
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mancityfan wrote:
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You'll become a country which imports far more than it exports, lacks resources and is wholly at the mercy of the banks.


Bring it on,the sooner the better,your right about imports,we certainly import more foreigners than we export?
A situation your jackbooted friends no doubt intend to reverse?

How do they intend to achieve this, assuming all those troublesome immigrants dont want to leave?

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:29 am 
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gusmac wrote:
You'll become a country which imports far more than it exports, lacks resources and is wholly at the mercy of the banks.



Errrmmm we import far far more than what we export and we've been at the mercy of the banks since 1989.


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gusmac wrote:
mancityfan wrote:
gusmac wrote:
You'll become a country which imports far more than it exports, lacks resources and is wholly at the mercy of the banks.


Bring it on,the sooner the better,your right about imports,we certainly import more foreigners than we export?
A situation your jackbooted friends no doubt intend to reverse?

How do they intend to achieve this, assuming all those troublesome immigrants dont want to leave?


I don't have any jackbooted friends? I'm not really interested how they intend to achieve it? All I can tell you is I have had enough of the other three and Europe, what's happening is not right, I don't know what it's like in Scotland but things are very bad in England,you can't see a doctor,dentist, get your child in a school,get a job with good pay? I picked an agency worker up,and she said they always phone the poles first? So it's time for change for me and lots more like me, I have never joined a political party before, but I am seriously considering it?


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mancityfan wrote:
gusmac wrote:
mancityfan wrote:

Bring it on,the sooner the better,your right about imports,we certainly import more foreigners than we export?
A situation your jackbooted friends no doubt intend to reverse?

How do they intend to achieve this, assuming all those troublesome immigrants dont want to leave?


I don't have any jackbooted friends? I'm not really interested how they intend to achieve it? All I can tell you is I have had enough of the other three and Europe, what's happening is not right, I don't know what it's like in Scotland but things are very bad in England,you can't see a doctor,dentist, get your child in a school,get a job with good pay? I picked an agency worker up,and she said they always phone the poles first? So it's time for change for me and lots more like me, I have never joined a political party before, but I am seriously considering it?
The scary thing is that could have been written by the average German in 1933.

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