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Have you heard? The immigrants ruined Britain

Mark Steel
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Thursday 9 May 2013

Of all those cockle-pickers who brought the banking system to its knees, not one has voluntarily given back their knighthood. At last the Government is taking action

You know who mucked up the economy, don’t you? It’s obvious from the laws proposed in the Queen’s Speech. It’s immigrants who don’t have their papers in order, that’s who. It was Somali refugees, popping out from their hostel to the local council to say: “Yesterday, on the way home from the Jobcentre, I whiled away the afternoon by speculating on the American loans market. So this week, as well as my £24 social security, I need a £20bn bailout as I seem to have lost the lot. And a £3m bonus, otherwise I’ll leave the country.”

Then there’s the £90bn a year lost through tax avoidance schemes, most of which is down to Polish strawberry-pickers. It’s about £8m a strawberry they’re paid, and then they put it all in special accounts in the Cayman Islands and we don’t get a penny. No wonder Ukip is becoming so popular. And of all those cockle-pickers who brought the banking system to its knees – not one has voluntarily given back their knighthood.

So at last the Government is taking action. One measure it’s proposing is to make landlords and doctors responsible for checking that immigrants have the proper papers. This is an imaginative idea, as it’s hard to recall any time in history when public servants were required to snoop on people so they could be reported to the state as illegal aliens. Maybe this scheme could even have an artistic edge, by making the outsiders wear a series of colourful stars, not only clamping down on immigration but brightening up some of our downtrodden areas.

Landlords, in particular, are an inspired profession to entrust with this sort of power because, of all social groups, whoever heard of an unscrupulous landlord? Maybe the new law could be extended to include burglars, who will be held responsible for checking the papers of any immigrant’s house they rob. Then it will be announced that a series of 1970s celebrities have been arrested because some of the children they abused were illegal immigrants, making them liable to £1,000 fine for not ensuring their visa was in order.

Eventually, when the system’s working really well, neighbours will be grassing each other up as Latvians, and Macmillan nurses will be legally obliged to tell cancer patients they can’t expect to be given a glass of water if they can’t find their passport. Then, at last, we’ll have this situation under control.

For now, though, the Government is taking it one step at a time. Another measure it proposes is that immigrants should pay a “contribution” towards any healthcare they receive. It could be argued, if you were picky, that people born in Britain are three times more likely to use the Health Service than immigrants, as those born here are on average older than those who come here to work. But if the new system works well, we can cause so much stress to every foreigner by having everyone they meet checking their papers, they’ll be in hospital most of the time which could make the NHS a handy profit.

Other public services could then follow. The Fire Brigade will have to ask anyone on fire if they have evidence of their legal status before hosing them down, and excuses such as “It was in the drawer but it’s been burned to a crisp” will not be acceptable.

That wouldn’t be as delightfully scatty as some of the immigration laws that already exist. For example, there was a rule that if an immigrant living here had an elderly relative abroad who was entirely dependent, with no one to look after them, that family member was entitled to join them in Britain. That rule has been tightened, so now anyone capable of making the journey is deemed too healthy to qualify as dependent. This not only cuts down on immigration, but solves the dependent family member’s loneliness by leaving them all day pondering such a tricky philosophical puzzle.

There are already vast restrictions on immigration for anyone not deemed economically useful, so the tragedy of the Government’s obsession with the issue is that it’s unlikely even to win it back the votes it’s lost to Ukip.

Because hostility towards immigration derives from maintaining a series of ideas that are upside-down; that if foreign tradesmen are employed on lower wages than those born in Britain, that’s the fault of the foreigners rather than the employers paying lower wages. Or maybe not, and the employers try to pay the higher rate but the Poles say: “No. We insist you give us almost nothing.” Or that when a landlord charges £1,000 a month that’s paid in housing benefit so a family can live in a squalid dump, that’s the fault of the family not the landlord. As if the family begs the landlord: “Surely £300 isn’t nearly enough for you to maintain such a musty aroma and so many varieties of mould.”

So whatever laws are introduced, Ukip will demand more, until next year the Queen’s Speech will go: “My Government will introduce a Bill to prevent immigrants from eating an Aero without supervision, that in a game of pool their British opponent can knock in the ball with their hand, and every Wednesday they must report to the nearest branch of Boots the chemist and tap dance by the Nurofen. And that’s about it for this year.”


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 09394.html




Yeah, yeah. But the truth of the matter is, half a million people settle in Britain every year. While they may all be top notch, deserving, hard working and in every respect admirable people and all that good stuff, they aren't coming here to enrich our wonderful multicultual society or to spread peace love and brotherhood. They are coming here to get what they can for themselves, of course. More for some means less for others - unless of course you think that the rich are going to give up their wealth to feed these utterly deserving immigrants. British people have got to eat too! Get real.


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gusmac wrote:

Have you heard? The immigrants ruined Britain

Mark Steel
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Thursday 9 May 2013

Of all those cockle-pickers who brought the banking system to its knees, not one has voluntarily given back their knighthood. At last the Government is taking action

You know who mucked up the economy, don’t you? It’s obvious from the laws proposed in the Queen’s Speech. It’s immigrants who don’t have their papers in order, that’s who. It was Somali refugees, popping out from their hostel to the local council to say: “Yesterday, on the way home from the Jobcentre, I whiled away the afternoon by speculating on the American loans market. So this week, as well as my £24 social security, I need a £20bn bailout as I seem to have lost the lot. And a £3m bonus, otherwise I’ll leave the country.”

Then there’s the £90bn a year lost through tax avoidance schemes, most of which is down to Polish strawberry-pickers. It’s about £8m a strawberry they’re paid, and then they put it all in special accounts in the Cayman Islands and we don’t get a penny. No wonder Ukip is becoming so popular. And of all those cockle-pickers who brought the banking system to its knees – not one has voluntarily given back their knighthood.

So at last the Government is taking action. One measure it’s proposing is to make landlords and doctors responsible for checking that immigrants have the proper papers. This is an imaginative idea, as it’s hard to recall any time in history when public servants were required to snoop on people so they could be reported to the state as illegal aliens. Maybe this scheme could even have an artistic edge, by making the outsiders wear a series of colourful stars, not only clamping down on immigration but brightening up some of our downtrodden areas.

Landlords, in particular, are an inspired profession to entrust with this sort of power because, of all social groups, whoever heard of an unscrupulous landlord? Maybe the new law could be extended to include burglars, who will be held responsible for checking the papers of any immigrant’s house they rob. Then it will be announced that a series of 1970s celebrities have been arrested because some of the children they abused were illegal immigrants, making them liable to £1,000 fine for not ensuring their visa was in order.

Eventually, when the system’s working really well, neighbours will be grassing each other up as Latvians, and Macmillan nurses will be legally obliged to tell cancer patients they can’t expect to be given a glass of water if they can’t find their passport. Then, at last, we’ll have this situation under control.

For now, though, the Government is taking it one step at a time. Another measure it proposes is that immigrants should pay a “contribution” towards any healthcare they receive. It could be argued, if you were picky, that people born in Britain are three times more likely to use the Health Service than immigrants, as those born here are on average older than those who come here to work. But if the new system works well, we can cause so much stress to every foreigner by having everyone they meet checking their papers, they’ll be in hospital most of the time which could make the NHS a handy profit.

Other public services could then follow. The Fire Brigade will have to ask anyone on fire if they have evidence of their legal status before hosing them down, and excuses such as “It was in the drawer but it’s been burned to a crisp” will not be acceptable.

That wouldn’t be as delightfully scatty as some of the immigration laws that already exist. For example, there was a rule that if an immigrant living here had an elderly relative abroad who was entirely dependent, with no one to look after them, that family member was entitled to join them in Britain. That rule has been tightened, so now anyone capable of making the journey is deemed too healthy to qualify as dependent. This not only cuts down on immigration, but solves the dependent family member’s loneliness by leaving them all day pondering such a tricky philosophical puzzle.

There are already vast restrictions on immigration for anyone not deemed economically useful, so the tragedy of the Government’s obsession with the issue is that it’s unlikely even to win it back the votes it’s lost to Ukip.

Because hostility towards immigration derives from maintaining a series of ideas that are upside-down; that if foreign tradesmen are employed on lower wages than those born in Britain, that’s the fault of the foreigners rather than the employers paying lower wages. Or maybe not, and the employers try to pay the higher rate but the Poles say: “No. We insist you give us almost nothing.” Or that when a landlord charges £1,000 a month that’s paid in housing benefit so a family can live in a squalid dump, that’s the fault of the family not the landlord. As if the family begs the landlord: “Surely £300 isn’t nearly enough for you to maintain such a musty aroma and so many varieties of mould.”

So whatever laws are introduced, Ukip will demand more, until next year the Queen’s Speech will go: “My Government will introduce a Bill to prevent immigrants from eating an Aero without supervision, that in a game of pool their British opponent can knock in the ball with their hand, and every Wednesday they must report to the nearest branch of Boots the chemist and tap dance by the Nurofen. And that’s about it for this year.”


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 09394.html




Yeah, yeah. But the truth of the matter is, half a million people settle in Britain every year. While they may all be top notch, deserving, hard working and in every respect admirable people and all that good stuff, they aren't coming here to enrich our wonderful multicultual society or to spread peace love and brotherhood. They are coming here to get what they can for themselves, of course. More for some means less for others - unless of course you think that the rich are going to give up their wealth to feed these utterly deserving immigrants. British people have got to eat too! Get real.


Being nice and kind to Immigrants is all very admirable, but to give them a house, benefits, access to free health care and then a state pension at our expense is just to much to take.

They then send for their relations to join them, then them their relations, and so it goes on, Millions of people getting it all for nowt that we have had to pay for from our NI and Taxes for all our working lives, they add to our own home bred non contributors, the whole system is undermined through having to pay out more money than we can sustain or generate in order to support them all.

True, many will find employment, but as employment is finite it just means they have denied a job for someone born here. those that come over and create a few jobs tend to fill the posts with their fellow countrymen.

We are drowning under a tidal wave of Immigration, If it's so fechin good that they all come here then why aren't we top of the worlds wealthiest nations, after all they have been coming here for years in ever increasing numbers, so any benefits they bring with them should be being felt by now...but it's not. the Countries about bankrupt.

Nah, Time to close the doors to any more, we just cannot sustain such numbers.


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"25% of Bulgarians want job in UK", .The Telegraph makes a marginally less audacious claim that "350,000 Bulgarians and Romanians" are looking for work in the UK, but are either of these assertions credible?

Survey-based immigration projections are notoriously unreliable - just last year the Sun splashed "EXCLUSIVE" across a story claiming "48% of Brits want to get out of the UK" - so why do news organisations from across the spectrum persist in giving such garbage prominence?

The fact that the BBC themselves lead with "No indication of huge Romanian-Bulgarian influx" should tell us all we need to know.

The Telegraph reach their figure by adding the proportions of Bulgarians and Romanians who said they were looking to work in the UK in 2013 or 2014, but drill down a little further into the poll results most of that figure said they would only migrate if they received a firm offer of work.

To equate a broad wish to migrate to the UK for a job with an imminent threat of immigration inundation is careless at best and actively misleading at worst.

If we apply the same conversion to the Sun's claim, 30m Britons should by now have upped sticks and headed overseas. In actual fact there were 352,000 emigrants in the year ending June 2012, giving us an exaggeration factor of 86.

Admittedly the distortion factor in Bulgaria is lower - recorded emigration rates of between 6% and 7% compare to figures of up to 50% reported in polls of the capital Sofia - but the overarching point remains the same; immigration polls are not to be trusted.

If any figures from the poll are to be treated as concrete signals of future migration, they are those concerning people who have begun making concrete plans to move, such as looking for accommodation.

In this case those are 1.2% and 0.4% for Bulgaria and Romania respectively, or a total of 117,240 in Telegraph money. The latest World Bank data puts the total number of Bulgarian and Romanian emigrants to the UK at 14,790, so while the requisite increase is by no means impossible, it would have to be dramatic to see these figures realised.

In addition to the issue of exaggeration, the BBC poll also found that the proportion of Bulgarians and Romanians looking for work elsewhere in the EU in 2014 is down on the same figure for 2013.


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Yeah its all the Jocks fault or the Poles or the Indians. Or those bloody Europeans.

Anyone except the millionaire classes who encouraged them to come here as cheap labour or their political lackeys who made it easy. The same millionaires who's media now tell you who to blame.

Not a long way from "it's all the Jews fault" is it?

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gusmac wrote:

Have you heard? The immigrants ruined Britain

Mark Steel
The Independent
Thursday 9 May 2013

Of all those cockle-pickers who brought the banking system to its knees, not one has voluntarily given back their knighthood. At last the Government is taking action

You know who mucked up the economy, don’t you? It’s obvious from the laws proposed in the Queen’s Speech. It’s immigrants who don’t have their papers in order, that’s who. It was Somali refugees, popping out from their hostel to the local council to say: “Yesterday, on the way home from the Jobcentre, I whiled away the afternoon by speculating on the American loans market. So this week, as well as my £24 social security, I need a £20bn bailout as I seem to have lost the lot. And a £3m bonus, otherwise I’ll leave the country.”

Then there’s the £90bn a year lost through tax avoidance schemes, most of which is down to Polish strawberry-pickers. It’s about £8m a strawberry they’re paid, and then they put it all in special accounts in the Cayman Islands and we don’t get a penny. No wonder Ukip is becoming so popular. And of all those cockle-pickers who brought the banking system to its knees – not one has voluntarily given back their knighthood.

So at last the Government is taking action. One measure it’s proposing is to make landlords and doctors responsible for checking that immigrants have the proper papers. This is an imaginative idea, as it’s hard to recall any time in history when public servants were required to snoop on people so they could be reported to the state as illegal aliens. Maybe this scheme could even have an artistic edge, by making the outsiders wear a series of colourful stars, not only clamping down on immigration but brightening up some of our downtrodden areas.

Landlords, in particular, are an inspired profession to entrust with this sort of power because, of all social groups, whoever heard of an unscrupulous landlord? Maybe the new law could be extended to include burglars, who will be held responsible for checking the papers of any immigrant’s house they rob. Then it will be announced that a series of 1970s celebrities have been arrested because some of the children they abused were illegal immigrants, making them liable to £1,000 fine for not ensuring their visa was in order.

Eventually, when the system’s working really well, neighbours will be grassing each other up as Latvians, and Macmillan nurses will be legally obliged to tell cancer patients they can’t expect to be given a glass of water if they can’t find their passport. Then, at last, we’ll have this situation under control.

For now, though, the Government is taking it one step at a time. Another measure it proposes is that immigrants should pay a “contribution” towards any healthcare they receive. It could be argued, if you were picky, that people born in Britain are three times more likely to use the Health Service than immigrants, as those born here are on average older than those who come here to work. But if the new system works well, we can cause so much stress to every foreigner by having everyone they meet checking their papers, they’ll be in hospital most of the time which could make the NHS a handy profit.

Other public services could then follow. The Fire Brigade will have to ask anyone on fire if they have evidence of their legal status before hosing them down, and excuses such as “It was in the drawer but it’s been burned to a crisp” will not be acceptable.

That wouldn’t be as delightfully scatty as some of the immigration laws that already exist. For example, there was a rule that if an immigrant living here had an elderly relative abroad who was entirely dependent, with no one to look after them, that family member was entitled to join them in Britain. That rule has been tightened, so now anyone capable of making the journey is deemed too healthy to qualify as dependent. This not only cuts down on immigration, but solves the dependent family member’s loneliness by leaving them all day pondering such a tricky philosophical puzzle.

There are already vast restrictions on immigration for anyone not deemed economically useful, so the tragedy of the Government’s obsession with the issue is that it’s unlikely even to win it back the votes it’s lost to Ukip.

Because hostility towards immigration derives from maintaining a series of ideas that are upside-down; that if foreign tradesmen are employed on lower wages than those born in Britain, that’s the fault of the foreigners rather than the employers paying lower wages. Or maybe not, and the employers try to pay the higher rate but the Poles say: “No. We insist you give us almost nothing.” Or that when a landlord charges £1,000 a month that’s paid in housing benefit so a family can live in a squalid dump, that’s the fault of the family not the landlord. As if the family begs the landlord: “Surely £300 isn’t nearly enough for you to maintain such a musty aroma and so many varieties of mould.”

So whatever laws are introduced, Ukip will demand more, until next year the Queen’s Speech will go: “My Government will introduce a Bill to prevent immigrants from eating an Aero without supervision, that in a game of pool their British opponent can knock in the ball with their hand, and every Wednesday they must report to the nearest branch of Boots the chemist and tap dance by the Nurofen. And that’s about it for this year.”


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Yeah its all the Jocks fault or the Poles or the Indians. Or those bloody Europeans.

Anyone except the millionaire classes who encouraged them to come here as cheap labour or their political lackeys who made it easy. The same millionaires who's media now tell you who to blame.

Not a long way from "it's all the Jews fault" is it?

Yes the country's fekked. Yes we've been fekked over.
And we will be again and again, until we see through the bullshit and see who's shafting who here.

Yes, get angry but get angry with the right people.


Your simple answer is to blame the rich for all our woes...more so the English rich.

It was the Fechin Labour party that invited all the foreigners over, the party of the working man supposedly, they even admit to it as part of a swipe at the right.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10055613/Labour-sent-out-search-parties-for-immigrants-Lord-Mandelson-admits.html


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gusmac wrote:
Yeah its all the Jocks fault or the Poles or the Indians. Or those bloody Europeans.

Anyone except the millionaire classes who encouraged them to come here as cheap labour or their political lackeys who made it easy. The same millionaires who's media now tell you who to blame.

Not a long way from "it's all the Jews fault" is it?

Yes the country's fekked. Yes we've been fekked over.
And we will be again and again, until we see through the bullshit and see who's shafting who here.

Yes, get angry but get angry with the right people.



I guess the scots know all about immigration ? So they should know better,or are the jocks Irish now? Perhaps the English will soon be polish?

Emigration to Scotland from Ireland was common. Tickets aboard ships were cheap and many came to work temporarily around harvest time when there was work available in the fields.
The Irish people suffered the Great Famine when potato blight decimated the crop. Much of Ireland's best pastureland had been given over to rearing cows for beef to sell to Britain. The native Irish population depended on the potato crop for their survival and now faced starvation.

In our opinion, the Irish have as much right to come to this country to better their lives as the Scots and English have to go to Ireland or any other part of Britain... Let us hear no more complaints about the influx of Irish having a bad effect on Scotland unless it is to do something about tackling the problems which caused the emigration.

The Glasgow Courier, 1830

In 1841, census results showed that 4.8% of the population of Scotland was Irish-born (126,321 out of a total population of 2,620,184). In ten years that figure grew to 7.2%. Between 1841 and 1851 the Irish population of Scotland had increased by 90% to stand at 207,367.

Almost a third of Irish immigrants settled in Glasgow to find work in the industries that flourished along the Clyde. In 1851 it was estimated that the majority of dock workers and miners in Britain had been born in Ireland. Many Catholic Irish immigrants faced discrimination and bigotry in Presbyterian Scotland. They were attacked from the pulpit and in the street. The Irish women working in the jute mills of Dundee were an exception – they were widely accepted.

The Irish communities grew strong – funding churches and schools. In 1875 Hibernian Football Club was founded in Leith by Catholic Irishmen. Celtic FC was founded in Glasgow in 1888. In the late 1870s and 1880 large numbers of Ulster Protestants immigrated to Scotland. They brought with them their Orange traditions. As late as 1923 sectarian rivalries were inflamed by the Church of Scotland when it published a pamphlet entitled ‘The menace of the Irish race to our Scottish Nationality’.

Over the years Irish immigrants have done much to enrich the culture and economy of Scotland. Famous Scots of Irish descent include Sean Connery, Carol Ann Duffy, Gerald Butler, Dick Gaughan, Brian Cox, Arthur Conan Doyle and Billy Connelly.


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gusmac wrote:
Yeah its all the Jocks fault or the Poles or the Indians. Or those bloody Europeans.

Anyone except the millionaire classes who encouraged them to come here as cheap labour or their political lackeys who made it easy. The same millionaires who's media now tell you who to blame.

Not a long way from "it's all the Jews fault" is it?

Yes the country's fekked. Yes we've been fekked over.
And we will be again and again, until we see through the bullshit and see who's shafting who here.

Yes, get angry but get angry with the right people.


Your simple answer is to blame the rich for all our woes...more so the English rich.

It was the Fechin Labour party that invited all the foreigners over, the party of the working man supposedly, they even admit to it as part of a swipe at the right.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10055613/Labour-sent-out-search-parties-for-immigrants-Lord-Mandelson-admits.html


It's a long time since Labour was the party of the working man. That shower are bought and sold by the bankers.

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mancityfan wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Yeah its all the Jocks fault or the Poles or the Indians. Or those bloody Europeans.

Anyone except the millionaire classes who encouraged them to come here as cheap labour or their political lackeys who made it easy. The same millionaires who's media now tell you who to blame.

Not a long way from "it's all the Jews fault" is it?

Yes the country's fekked. Yes we've been fekked over.
And we will be again and again, until we see through the bullshit and see who's shafting who here.

Yes, get angry but get angry with the right people.



I guess the scots know all about immigration ? So they should know better,or are the jocks Irish now? Perhaps the English will soon be polish?

Emigration to Scotland from Ireland was common. Tickets aboard ships were cheap and many came to work temporarily around harvest time when there was work available in the fields.
The Irish people suffered the Great Famine when potato blight decimated the crop. Much of Ireland's best pastureland had been given over to rearing cows for beef to sell to Britain. The native Irish population depended on the potato crop for their survival and now faced starvation.

In our opinion, the Irish have as much right to come to this country to better their lives as the Scots and English have to go to Ireland or any other part of Britain... Let us hear no more complaints about the influx of Irish having a bad effect on Scotland unless it is to do something about tackling the problems which caused the emigration.

The Glasgow Courier, 1830

In 1841, census results showed that 4.8% of the population of Scotland was Irish-born (126,321 out of a total population of 2,620,184). In ten years that figure grew to 7.2%. Between 1841 and 1851 the Irish population of Scotland had increased by 90% to stand at 207,367.

Almost a third of Irish immigrants settled in Glasgow to find work in the industries that flourished along the Clyde. In 1851 it was estimated that the majority of dock workers and miners in Britain had been born in Ireland. Many Catholic Irish immigrants faced discrimination and bigotry in Presbyterian Scotland. They were attacked from the pulpit and in the street. The Irish women working in the jute mills of Dundee were an exception – they were widely accepted.

The Irish communities grew strong – funding churches and schools. In 1875 Hibernian Football Club was founded in Leith by Catholic Irishmen. Celtic FC was founded in Glasgow in 1888. In the late 1870s and 1880 large numbers of Ulster Protestants immigrated to Scotland. They brought with them their Orange traditions. As late as 1923 sectarian rivalries were inflamed by the Church of Scotland when it published a pamphlet entitled ‘The menace of the Irish race to our Scottish Nationality’.

Over the years Irish immigrants have done much to enrich the culture and economy of Scotland. Famous Scots of Irish descent include Sean Connery, Carol Ann Duffy, Gerald Butler, Dick Gaughan, Brian Cox, Arthur Conan Doyle and Billy Connelly.


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gusmac wrote:
mancityfan wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Yeah its all the Jocks fault or the Poles or the Indians. Or those bloody Europeans.

Anyone except the millionaire classes who encouraged them to come here as cheap labour or their political lackeys who made it easy. The same millionaires who's media now tell you who to blame.

Not a long way from "it's all the Jews fault" is it?

Yes the country's fekked. Yes we've been fekked over.
And we will be again and again, until we see through the bullshit and see who's shafting who here.

Yes, get angry but get angry with the right people.



I guess the scots know all about immigration ? So they should know better,or are the jocks Irish now? Perhaps the English will soon be polish?

Emigration to Scotland from Ireland was common. Tickets aboard ships were cheap and many came to work temporarily around harvest time when there was work available in the fields.
The Irish people suffered the Great Famine when potato blight decimated the crop. Much of Ireland's best pastureland had been given over to rearing cows for beef to sell to Britain. The native Irish population depended on the potato crop for their survival and now faced starvation.

In our opinion, the Irish have as much right to come to this country to better their lives as the Scots and English have to go to Ireland or any other part of Britain... Let us hear no more complaints about the influx of Irish having a bad effect on Scotland unless it is to do something about tackling the problems which caused the emigration.

The Glasgow Courier, 1830

In 1841, census results showed that 4.8% of the population of Scotland was Irish-born (126,321 out of a total population of 2,620,184). In ten years that figure grew to 7.2%. Between 1841 and 1851 the Irish population of Scotland had increased by 90% to stand at 207,367.

Almost a third of Irish immigrants settled in Glasgow to find work in the industries that flourished along the Clyde. In 1851 it was estimated that the majority of dock workers and miners in Britain had been born in Ireland. Many Catholic Irish immigrants faced discrimination and bigotry in Presbyterian Scotland. They were attacked from the pulpit and in the street. The Irish women working in the jute mills of Dundee were an exception – they were widely accepted.

The Irish communities grew strong – funding churches and schools. In 1875 Hibernian Football Club was founded in Leith by Catholic Irishmen. Celtic FC was founded in Glasgow in 1888. In the late 1870s and 1880 large numbers of Ulster Protestants immigrated to Scotland. They brought with them their Orange traditions. As late as 1923 sectarian rivalries were inflamed by the Church of Scotland when it published a pamphlet entitled ‘The menace of the Irish race to our Scottish Nationality’.

Over the years Irish immigrants have done much to enrich the culture and economy of Scotland. Famous Scots of Irish descent include Sean Connery, Carol Ann Duffy, Gerald Butler, Dick Gaughan, Brian Cox, Arthur Conan Doyle and Billy Connelly.


If you want something of relevance to cut and paste, I'd suggest Der Sturmer. Should be right up your street.


You seem to have this thing about the Jews ? It's not about the Jews or religion ? It's about immigration,full stop.


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You seem to have this thing about the Jews ? It's not about the Jews or religion ? It's about immigration,full stop.


I don't have a "thing about the Jews". That's a lesson from history.
I have a thing about politicians and the press persecuting a minority to further their own agenda.
The Jews were the minority that the Nazis persecuted to gain power. Substituting immigrants, the disabled, gay people or some other minority is just the same thing. It's still fascism and it's what my grandad fought a war against.

I also have a thing about the hard of thinking buying into this bullshit. Immigrants didn't bankrupt this country, the people who brought them here to undercut the indigenous workforce did. The same people who now tell you that it's all the fault of immigrants and Johnny Foreigners.
The truth is this country is screwed because of political corruption and corporate greed. If people listen to the fascist crap these people put out, nothing will change. The country will still be screwed and the greedy and corrupt [edited by admin] who screwed us over will still be doing it.

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gusmac wrote:
mancityfan wrote:

You seem to have this thing about the Jews ? It's not about the Jews or religion ? It's about immigration,full stop.


I don't have a "thing about the Jews". That's a lesson from history.
I have a thing about politicians and the press persecuting a minority to further their own agenda.
The Jews were the minority that the Nazis persecuted to gain power. Substituting immigrants, the disabled, gay people or some other minority is just the same thing. It's still fascism and it's what my grandad fought a war against.

I also have a thing about the hard of thinking buying into this bullshit. Immigrants didn't bankrupt this country, the people who brought them here to undercut the indigenous workforce did. The same people who now tell you that it's all the fault of immigrants and Johnny Foreigners.
The truth is this country is screwed because of political corruption and corporate greed. If people listen to the fascist crap these people put out, nothing will change. The country will still be screwed and the greedy and corrupt [edited by admin] who screwed us over will still be doing it.


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