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gusmac
PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:38 am 
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Couldn't these right wing numpties find Aberdeen? :roll:

TBH I don't think they couldn't find their arse with both hands :lol:


You're right - he's a numbty - but surely there's intelligent Scots out there that will give him enough rope?


Of course there are. :lol:
If we were all as Farage and Galloway would have you believe, there'd have been a damn site more outside that pub and I doubt he'd have managed to get his xenophobic arse back across the border in one piece.

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Is not answering questions a Scot Nat thing?


No, it's a habit practised by politicians everywhere. #-o

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Galloway posed some questions - how are the embassy's going to work.

How is Scotland going to work within the confinds of Sterling - Tory led English Sterling I may add.

How is the Navy going to work


Do you really expect answers to questions like these, which would all be the subject of negotiation? Negotiations which the Unionists flat refuse to have before the referendum.

I could give you my opinion but that's not what George asked for, was it?

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Instead of answering his questions he is subject to ridicule - if Galloway is deemed a threat - and one can only presume he is by the attention he's getting - just what do people think will happen if things really turn sour?


Galloway is no threat. He's a Westminster piggy whose worried about his snout being shoved out of the trough. If he ever had any principles, he sold them out a long time ago.
Responding to him would give him credibility, which is something he lacks in Scotland. That's why he's not a member of the Scottish parliament.


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My point seems to stand - this whole debate is taking a dark turn


I don't think so. I do think that might suit some people though :roll:

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How is the Navy going to work


Hopefully better than this

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PMSL :badgrin:

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Farage-ism yet another nail in 'Better Together' coffin
Monday, 20 May 2013 20:33


By Mark McNaught

It is the night of the long knives for David Cameron, after 114 backbenchers revolted and voted in the Commons to express ‘regret’ that an in/out EU referendum bill was not included in the Queen’s Speech.

It is clear that Nigel Farage and UKIP have put the fear of God into the Tories, and Faragisme (pronounced with a French accent, because UKIP has a thing for foreigners) will be a dominant force in Westminster for years to come.

Meanwhile, Nigel Farage was bitterly received in Edinburgh, where protestors calling him 'UKIP scum' and exhorting him to 'go home' hastened his departure from the pub on the Royal Mile. He returned the compliment, calling them 'fascist scum'. Obviously, Farage can dish it out but he can’t take it.

Maybe now he realises how immigrants feel about his rhetoric, but probably not. Although he attributed it to anti-English sentiment, a more plausible explanation is that Scots do not share his xenophobic, homophobic, anti-EU ideology, and they’re not afraid to tell that to his face, in contrast to the sycophantic mainstream media.

It is certain that Nigel Farage will be a major player in the 2015 elections, and could become UK Deputy Prime Minister or even Prime Minister in the future. Regardless of the electoral results, UKIP is driving the Westminster political debate; in all likelihood they will drive it straight out of the EU within a few years.

Farage-ism reeks of the worst attributes of the British empire: arrogance, harking back to a non-existent golden age, casual use of racial and ethnic stereotypes, belief in the superiority of their culture irrespective of evidence to the contrary, colonising and ruling 25% of the world and resenting the colonized when they come to live their country, etc.. The irony for Farage is that the xenophobic pall that his politics has cast over Westminster risks further shrivelling what is left of the British Empire.

If Scotland votes 'no' to independence in 2014, under UKIP proposals Scots can expect the following:

• Scotland may be extracted from the EU regardless of their wishes;
• the Scottish Parliament could be severely weakened or even abolished;
• welfare policy will be further mangled by cynical UK governments;
• immigration policy will become increasingly draconian.

The fact that Scots will never vote for UKIP will matter nothing. Nothing 'Better Together' says can change these very real possibilities.

Once this dawns on a majority of Scots, independence becomes mandatory.

Support for Farage-ism is virtually non-existent in Scotland, and the only way to be definitively immune from its toxic effects is to vote for independence.

After the referendum, Scotland will find a way to remain in the EU before the rUK jumps ship, and the Scottish government will have the capacity to forge its own constructive relationship with the EU. Scotland will be master of its own fate in terms of welfare, taxes, and revenue from natural resources, without wondering whether the next election will bring a government increasingly contemptuous of Scotland’s interests.

I hope Mr Farage is beginning to realise that the message he peddles in the Home Counties and the southeast of England simply doesn’t sell in Scotland. Since his populist politics was forged in appealing to the baser instincts of middle England, he fails to grasp Scottish sensibilities, which are more attuned to the EU in part because it serves as a moderating force on Westminster. If the UK leaves the EU with Scotland attached, what will happen to workers' rights, transnational police cooperation, and many other benefits for Scotland?

English politics is going through an emotional breakdown right now. Perhaps it is entering the last throes of the empire mentality, but we can expect to hear political shrieks and screams from south of the border for years to come.

It will be fascinating to see how 'Better Together' attempts to spin UKIP’s success, if they even bother. In contrast to all the bogus scare stories they have come up with, the very real threat of Farage-ism strangling Scottish politics has rendered continued Unionism untenable. Farage has left 'Better Together' twisting in the wind …slowly …slowly.

The choice for Scotland in 2014 is clear. Amicably part ways with the UK and forge your own destiny, or stay with it and become un état Faragiste, with no choice in the matter.

I know which way Scots will lean.


Mark McNaught is a member of the Constitutional Commission and an Associate Professor of US Civilisation at the University of Rennes 2 France. He also teaches US constitutional law at Sciences-Po Paris.

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Yes gus we get it you are ANTI Farage BUT nothing you have posted convinces me and as the saying goes you don't have to vote for him. If UKIP are that unpopular in Scotland then there is no need to harangue him the result at the ballot box will say it all

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Yes gus we get it you are ANTI Farage BUT nothing you have posted convinces me and as the saying goes you don't have to vote for him. If UKIP are that unpopular in Scotland then there is no need to harangue him the result at the ballot box will say it all


Yeah and you tw4ts will vote for him in droves. Basically because your as xenophobic as he is.
We won't vote for him but that won't matter. We will end up with this clown and his views foisted on us, just as we have with the Tories now.
Never mind that he doesn't have any real policies other than blame the immigrants/foreigners for everything.
He's not going to save your NHS, he's not going to do anything about the banks and media that really run this country, he's not going to create employment.

He is going to look after his rich backers.............same as your other 3 right wing parties do.

The banks have basically pi$$ed all our money down the crapper, so much so that we'll all be paying off their gambling debts for decades.
Out of Europe, all those City bankers can stop worrying about the EU interfering with their ability to gamble away our childrens' and grandchildrens' futures as well.

Never mind, at least he'll get shot of the immigrants for you.
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Gus cant stand Farage and id wager a good amount UKIP arent going to get in power any time soon.The other thing about the heckling he got i think was blown out of proportion,i think it was Salmons response that cause more more airtime for the media.As for independance its your country and i dont know enough to say if i think its good or bad ? I know more about Ireland ,have plenty of family and we certainly fecked that up !! Basically we havent a lot of choice in who we vote,you couldnt split hairs between the three here :wink:
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Gus cant stand Farage and id wager a good amount UKIP arent going to get in power any time soon.The other thing about the heckling he got i think was blown out of proportion,i think it was Salmons response that cause more more airtime for the media.As for independance its your country and i dont know enough to say if i think its good or bad ? I know more about Ireland ,have plenty of family and we certainly fecked that up !! Basically we havent a lot of choice in who we vote,you couldnt split hairs between the three here :wink:


=D>

It was a disgrace - but what the SNP did was just stupidity - it gave more airtime to a pillock.

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Yes gus we get it you are ANTI Farage BUT nothing you have posted convinces me and as the saying goes you don't have to vote for him. If UKIP are that unpopular in Scotland then there is no need to harangue him the result at the ballot box will say it all


Yeah and you tw4ts will vote for him in droves. Basically because your as xenophobic as he is.
We won't vote for him but that won't matter. We will end up with this clown and his views foisted on us, just as we have with the Tories now.
Never mind that he doesn't have any real policies other than blame the immigrants/foreigners for everything.
He's not going to save your NHS, he's not going to do anything about the banks and media that really run this country, he's not going to create employment.

He is going to look after his rich backers.............same as your other 3 right wing parties do.

The banks have basically pi$$ed all our money down the crapper, so much so that we'll all be paying off their gambling debts for decades.
Out of Europe, all those City bankers can stop worrying about the EU interfering with their ability to gamble away our childrens' and grandchildrens' futures as well.

Never mind, at least he'll get shot of the immigrants for you.
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Yes Gus - but that's wasn't what was said in respect of a debate - he was told to f*ck off because he was English - and this is the way the debate for independence is going - ABE.

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Yes Gus - but that's wasn't what was said in respect of a debate - he was told to f*ck off because he was English - and this is the way the debate for independence is going - ABE.


He was told to f*ck off by around 50 people, for various reasons. Nationalists, socialists, gay rights and others who have issues with Farage's divisive politics.
It was a student demo organised by a card carrying member of the Labour party, who happens to be English.
Two people were arrested for minor public order offences, both English BTW.
Farage calls them all anti-English fascists and hangs up on the BBC, accusing the reporter of hatred, rather than answer awkward questions. FFS you couldn't make it up. #-o

The fact of the matter is it was an anti right-wing scumbag demo. Yet everyone is left with the idea it's an anti-English demo and the work of the SNP. The anti-English bollocks has been spun out of all proportion by Farage and his media circus.


And you are just lapping it up, aren't you? :roll:

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The fact of the matter is it was an anti right-wing scumbag demo. Yet everyone is left with the idea it's an anti-English demo and the work of the SNP. The anti-English bollocks has been spun out of all proportion by Farage and his media circus.

And you are just lapping it up, aren't you? :roll:


I'm not lapping it up at all - I believe Scotland should be independent. What I saw disappointed me as it gave UKIP publicity on a plate.

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UKIP get coverage on a plate anyway. :sad:

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UKIP get coverage on a plate anyway. :sad:



as do the SNP

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UKIP get coverage on a plate anyway. :sad:



as do the SNP


Not the same fawning coverage though :lol:

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