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EU - Remain or Leave?
Remain in the EU 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
Leave the EU 72%  72%  [ 31 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:14 pm 
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The Netherlands, Hungary and Czechoslovakia want out of the EU, the Netherlands have a referendum in April, Hungary want a referendum on the Ukraine treaty, and Czechoslovakia want a full referendum on a full exit from the EU. The EU is finished.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:16 pm 
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Confronted with Iain Duncan Smith and Boris Johnson in the Leave camp and David Cameron and George Osborne on the Stay side, you may find yourself hating the thought of taking any part in the EU referendum.

But, setting possibly odious personalities aside, which result do you believe is going to be in the best interests of claimants?

Should we stay or should we go now?
If we leave the EU is it likely that the Tory party will be able to make life even harder for claimants and carers?

Will workers’ rights be even more comprehensively eroded, so that if you are sick or disabled there will be even less protection against discrimination in the workplace?

The European Court of Human Rights is not part of the EU, but once out of the EU it is possible that the Tories would feel better able to try to limit the ECHR’s power to interfere in UK domestic matters, including the rights of sick and disabled people. Would that make any difference to your life?

Would the ability to limit the free movement of workers, by leaving the EU, mean that there would be more jobs available for UK citizens, so employers would be more likely to consider employing sick and disabled applicants?

We all know that payment of benefits to claimants from outside the UK makes the right wing press foam with rage and possibly increases the level of prejudice against all benefits claimants. Would there be less hatred towards sick and disabled people if we left the EU and the press had fewer opportunities to run anti-claimant stories?

And - getting back to personalities – if the Leave campaign does win, will that make Iain Duncan Smith even more powerful and even more free to indulge his cruellest instincts towards claimants?

On the other hand, if the Stay campaign succeeds, will that mean George Osborne is most likely to take over from Cameron and is he to be feared even more than IDS?

What will you do?
After the unexpected awfulness of the last election result, it would be no surprise if claimants were increasingly reluctant to vote this time around. But is the decision on 23 June too important for the future of sick and disabled claimants to leave it to other people to decide for you?.

So, will you vote and, if so, which way will you go – Stay or Leave?

Leave a comment on the site – link below - and let us know.

Claimant counts
In other news, ESA claimant numbers are down whilst ESA sanctions have increased.

Contrary to DWP hopes, however, combined DLA and PIP claimant numbers are increasing – no wonder the government are planning on changing the rules on aids and adaptations in order to try to slash successful claims.

Meanwhile, universal credit continues to perform as badly as we have come to expect. At current rates it will take another 32 years to be fully rolled out.

Good luck,

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 6:43 pm 
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The 85% Leave / 15% Remain split that TDO shows is pretty much what I'm getting from across my client range and from other people I talk to on the matter, It makes me rather think that the professional pollsters have got It way wrong either by accident or by design...let's be honest, they have been way wrong with their forecasts before and I reckon they are well wrong on this one also.

I asked this a while back as most of the people I know, who expressed a view, are out, in fact I haven't picked up one in support.

Now if I was orchestrating the discussion I could understand punters just agreeing with old misery guts behind the wheel, but it all starts from them.

A couple of larger local internet polls have it split 50/50 or as good as dammit, which to me is a surprise, as I live in a fluffy greeny place that should be very very pro EU.

So I'm guessing in all the polls (apart from the very small TDO snapshot) there is an under reporting of Leave voters.

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Confronted with Iain Duncan Smith and Boris Johnson in the Leave camp and David Cameron and George Osborne on the Stay side, you may find yourself hating the thought of taking any part in the EU referendum.


Personally I think Iain Duncan Smith and Boris have their own agenda. Some believe that if we have an out success then Cameron will be ousted

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:53 pm 
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Personally I think Iain Duncan Smith and Boris have their own agenda. Some believe that if we have an out success then Cameron will be ousted


I think you're right.

I also think the British people should be thankful for the EU.

The real issues in this country are not the fault of Europe, and migrants are a diversion.

Google paid how much in tax? 2%? of their UK profits?

The EU is nothing more than a diversion, as are the migrants, designed by a corrupt bunch of c*nts to divide the country.

Look at our foreign policy then consider why migrants are fleeing - we blame the oppressed for our bombs.

Look at the state of our education system - we produce dumb children leaving schools then wonder why we have knuckledraggers in our towns and cities - not educated enough to question things.

And all the time the rich get richer - by diversion and division.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:28 pm 
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toots wrote:

Personally I think Iain Duncan Smith and Boris have their own agenda. Some believe that if we have an out success then Cameron will be ousted


I think you're right.

I also think the British people should be thankful for the EU.

The real issues in this country are not the fault of Europe, and migrants are a diversion.

Google paid how much in tax? 2%? of their UK profits?

The EU is nothing more than a diversion, as are the migrants, designed by a corrupt bunch of c*nts to divide the country.

Look at our foreign policy then consider why migrants are fleeing - we blame the oppressed for our bombs.

Look at the state of our education system - we produce dumb children leaving schools then wonder why we have knuckledraggers in our towns and cities - not educated enough to question things.

And all the time the rich get richer - by diversion and division.


Well for those that think the EU is bad wait til the good ole U.S of A start their shouting with the TTIP. The UK will be the old man dancing to their tune ;) https://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8. Sorry I went off topic, my bad.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:31 pm 
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toots wrote:

Well for those that think the EU is bad wait til the good ole U.S of A start their shouting with the TTIP. The UK will be the old man dancing to their tune ;) https://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8. Sorry I went off topic, my bad.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLlXvkm65Y

I think this is the UK and USA

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:37 pm 
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toots wrote:

Well for those that think the EU is bad wait til the good ole U.S of A start their shouting with the TTIP. The UK will be the old man dancing to their tune ;) https://youtu.be/1tqxzWdKKu8. Sorry I went off topic, my bad.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhLlXvkm65Y

I think this is the UK and USA


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:00 pm 
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What concerns me is there will be people that will vote about something they don't fully understand based on one or two things they dislike. I have to admit that I am now forced to learn as much as I can about the pro's and con's of this agreement so I can make an informed choice. I also think it's a distraction to cover other things that could possibly have far reaching effects on us.

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What concerns me is there will be people that will vote about something they don't fully understand based on one or two things they dislike. I have to admit that I am now forced to learn as much as I can about the pro's and con's of this agreement so I can make an informed choice. I also think it's a distraction to cover other things that could possibly have far reaching effects on us.


I'm voting in.

Because I trust our sh*tbags even less than foreign sh*tbags

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In fairness, if Lulu's heart goes go boom bang a bang, she needs to speak to professionals

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toots wrote:
Personally I think Iain Duncan Smith and Boris have their own agenda. Some believe that if we have an out success then Cameron will be ousted

Boris maybe, but not IDS.

That said the same could be said about our Home Secretary who has always had anti EU views, but has taken the decison that she has more chance of following Cameron as PM if she stays on his side.

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What concerns me is there will be people that will vote about something they don't fully understand based on one or two things they dislike.

And what do you think these things are?

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