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edders23

Post subject: Local Elections

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:52 pm

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Location: Stamford Britains prettiest town till SKDC ruined it

This morning I noticed them talking about voting in local elections today which I thought odd because I thought they were in may so i got my polling card out and mine says 2nd may are they holding them over several weeks now ?

Not sure if I want to vote though we have 3 candidates a Tory whose nose is well and truly in the expenses trough allegedly a lib Dem who has a track record of being anti taxi and pro bus and community transport and a labour candidate that is exactly the same but never been elected as far as I am aware no independents or fringe candidates :sad:

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bloodnock

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:29 pm

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edders23 wrote:

Go with the one who ain't pro bus and community transport, they'll all have their snouts in the trough anyway so it'll make no difference. They'll all be closet Tories living the good life off council expenses and put on on whatever cap suits them best just to get more votes.

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mancityfan

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:18 pm

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Doesn't make much sense does it??

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gusmac

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:20 am

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Location: Aberdeen

Right wing shite like this rarely ever does.

Does it have VOTE **** on the bottom?

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blackpool

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Wed May 01, 2013 7:40 am

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mancityfan wrote:

Doesn't make much sense does it??

Daily Maul :roll:

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edders23

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:23 pm

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Location: Stamford Britains prettiest town till SKDC ruined it

Anyway back to the elections

I decided in the end as I disliked all of the candidates not to vote but I noticed that UKIP took 16 seats off the toryboys especially in Boston where the majority polish population don't qualify for the vote :wink:

I suspect that if UKIP had fielded candidates in more constituencies they might have done even more damage to camerons' clowns

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Sussex

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:34 pm

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I think this election will move the country a bit further to the right.

Tories clearly lost out to UKIP, as did the Liberals, but where was Labour?

Rightly or wrongly, given the in-out EU vote, I can't see it being in.

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captain cab

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:37 pm

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edders23 wrote:

I decided in the end as I disliked all of the candidates

Me to - although admittedly I did utter the words "do you really expect me to vote for this bunch of c*nts" to the nice lady who gave me the paper.

I then proceeded to write "none" above all the candidates - and ticked that. =D>

I suspect I'll be a spoiled paper.

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Sussex

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:41 pm

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The people I voted for didn't win in my area.

Nothing changed there then. :sad:

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gusmac

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:01 pm

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Why Labour are to blame for UKIP

Posted on May 03, 2013 by Rev. Stuart Campbell

This shouldn’t take long. Since 1997, and particularly since 2001, what passes for the political ideology of the Labour Party in Britain could be accurately summed up in one short phrase: be the smallest possible single step to the left of the Tories.

Protected by the grossly undemocratic First Past The Post electoral system – which discriminates massively against third parties and ensures that Labour or the Tories can secure huge, unassailable majorities on barely more than a third of the vote – Tony Blair’s brilliant, ruinous flash of political inspiration was the willingness to fully grasp the implication of that fact: that Labour could effectively all but become the Tories and still capture the left-wing vote, because that vote had nowhere else viable to go.

A bit like when there’s someone breathing right down your neck on a crowded train, that sent the Tories shuffling ever further along the political spectrum in an attempt to put some distance between them and their opponents, only to be confounded as Labour doggedly matched them step for step, constantly pressing their manifesto-groins into the Tories’ rear like some sort of hideous nerdy sex pest.

The phenomenon has only become more marked since Labour lost power. Shadow Cabinet members now line up to appear on the news promising to be tougher on immigration and tougher on the poor. (So desperate, in fact, are Labour not to be seen as “soft” on welfare they’re actually to the right of UKIP on the subject.) When Johann Lamont talks of changing (or “re-energising”) the Scottish devolution settlement, it’s not in terms of bringing more powers to Edinburgh but more “responsibilities”, echoing precisely the words of Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson.

(Poor old Scottish Labour still haven’t managed to work out that the strategy that served the party so well south of the border doesn’t work in Scottish Parliament elections, because something approaching a fair electoral system DOES give voters more than a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedledumber.)

At first glance this ought to seem like bad news for a party like UKIP. With the Tories pushed ever further to the right by Labour (David Cameron and George Osborne are, it’s widely agreed by commentators on both the left and right of the UK press, pursuing policies even Margaret Thatcher would have shied away from), there ought to be no room for an even more right-wing Tory fringe party.

But there are two reasons it hasn’t worked out that way. The first is simply a stroke of luck for Nigel Farage’s troops – the coalition has poisoned the Lib Dems, perhaps forever, which has liberated Labour from a threat on the left. With the Lib Dems hopelessly discredited on the left (and also electorally), Labour can worry even less about losing its core voters and keep pushing right.

But why does that suit UKIP, given that they don’t want the Tories encroaching on their ground? It works because with both major parties engaged in a consensus, the position of the “centre” changes radically. Policies which would once have seemed extreme suddenly find themselves in the territory of respectability, because they’re only a little to the right of the party of government.

And while it seems counter-intuitive, the disintegration of the Lib Dems also frees up a “protest vote” element sickened by the two main parties, some of which will go to UKIP purely because it’s the only alternative party with what looks like any hope of getting anyone elected.

(An impression reinforced by the wildly disproportionate and friendly coverage the media, in particular the BBC, bestows on Farage, because he gives good TV. The Corporation recently awarded UKIP a “discretionary” extra party political broadcast, and this morning’s special election edition of BBC Breakfast was a quite extraordinary spectacle in which Farage was essentially allowed to interrogate the representatives of the other three parties as an interviewer.)

It might seem a stretch that Lib Dem voters would defect to UKIP, but not all Lib Dems are left-wingers. Some belong to the Nick Clegg “Orange Book” faction of the party, which is politically far closer to the Tories than the Lib Dems like to acknowledge, and some Lib Dem votes are tactical ones aimed at blocking Labour rather than the Tories, which could easily switch to UKIP for the same purpose.

For as long as Labour continue to handcuff themselves to the Tories in pursuit of Middle England votes, then, UKIP will continue to rise. And in the process, Labour will continue to dig itself deeper into a hole, pushing the terms of political discourse further and further onto the ground where it’s least comfortable and least trusted, and making it easier and easier for UKIP to dictate the agenda.

(With a side effect that Labour voters in the poorest areas, especially in the north of England, will also become easier and easier prey for super-extremists like the BNP, who capitalise on the desperation of working-class poverty with what are fairly left-wing economic policies ostensibly funded by excluding ethnic minorities from services.)

Labour seems deadlocked into this cycle of self-destruction, completely bereft of the courage to offer the electorate a genuine alternative to Conservative ideology. The unfortunate British public has only begun to suffer the consequences.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/why-labour ... -for-ukip/

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captain cab

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:05 pm

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Protected by the grossly undemocratic First Past The Post electoral system

that is utter sh*te

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captain cab

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:07 pm

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the articles you post gus are usually decent - I'm sorry to say that one is very poor for many reasons :shock:

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gusmac

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:14 pm

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captain cab wrote:

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Protected by the grossly undemocratic First Past The Post electoral system

that is utter sh*te

That's a bit reserved :lol:

captain cab wrote:

the articles you post gus are usually decent - I'm sorry to say that one is very poor for many reasons :shock:

I didn't write it, and I only agree with some of it. I also thought you might like a view you are unlikely to see in the MSM

Would you like to say where you think it's wrong?

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captain cab

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:28 pm

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gusmac wrote:

Would you like to say where you think it's wrong?

Was hoping you'd ask :lol:

Whether we like it or not first past the post is probably the fairest system. The article states;

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which discriminates massively against third parties and ensures that Labour or the Tories can secure huge, unassailable majorities on barely more than a third of the vote

The word 'discriminates'..... so by voting for one person I discriminate against another? Hardly - I vote for one person without thinking about another.

"Barely on third of the vote" - if its a majority then whats the issue - I mean the other 2 parties (or whatever other number of) could all gang up - or even withdraw - to give their preferred choice a better and invariably winning chance.

I honestly think the PR methods are a losers charter - I seriously think these people would query the result of a football match - "well we had more shots so we should have won".

I could understand if the argument was about money - that one party was so rich it could manipulate everything - but the premis offered is that basically the public are c*nts - which of course they are - its just that they're not the c*nts that vote for you.

You have it with the SNP in Scotland - the system installed was to specifically ensure the Scots Parliament was forever hung - except of course the Scottish people aint particularly stupid and they'll vote how the hell they'd like - whatever the system.

Would you now like me to point to how the article is wrong further? :wink:

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gusmac

Post subject: Re: Local Elections

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 10:32 pm

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captain cab wrote:

gusmac wrote:

Would you like to say where you think it's wrong?

Was hoping you'd ask :lol:

Whether we like it or not first past the post is probably the fairest system. The article states;

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which discriminates massively against third parties and ensures that Labour or the Tories can secure huge, unassailable majorities on barely more than a third of the vote

Please do

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