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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 7:46 pm 
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Unlike Farage Scotland’s Enemy Is Not The ‘Other’

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    "We’ve never ever, ever had this kind of response. Is this a kind of anti-English thing? It could be.”

    Nigel Farage, Edinburgh 16/05/13

The Royal Mile has a proud tradition, far older than the union, of mobbing unpopular politicians.

For centuries taking to the thoroughfare to make your grievances known has been a part of Scottish politics. The Marquess of Queensberry had to be escorted by an armed guard up the Canongate in the last days of the Scottish parliament in 1706.

A century earlier James VI, on his way to become the first of England, could not comprehend that the jubilant crowds lining his route were out to cheer him. In Scotland a crowd around the royal carriage was a demanding mob.

Some are bound to look on such behaviour as unruly and extremist, yet it is arguably amongst the most valuable activities that a group of citizens can perform. It defines more than anything else the broad spectrum within which politics can operate in a given society. If politicians don’t know the possibility of an angry crowd when they take to the streets, they are free to operate without license.

Farage’s exit from Scottish politics in the back of a police van is a heartening echo of our deep-rooted disdain for those who strut and stare.

My only point here is to highlight that which Mr Farage spectacularly missed – Scotland always has and always will have a different political culture to that of England. You can tap into one and alienate yourself from the other simultaneously.

That’s not to disregard for a moment English radical traditions, it’s just a statement of fact. Yet facts about Scotland tend not to transfer to the narrow metropolitan elite of which the UKIP leader is a member.

His dance in and out of an Edinburgh pub crystallised a fact that rarely makes it past the Carter Bar. This ignorance, much like that of his hero Thatcher, shows that you simply cannot play the role of an everyman in two different nations at the same time.

Farage has roamed England’s shires and repeated his homely pint gimmick (a surprisingly low budget tipple for a man who is a city stockbroker like his father) and no landlord has ever turfed him out, until he visited Edinburgh.

Why? It would be absurd to claim that Scotland has inherently less tolerance for intolerance than England. Farage himself has gone to great pains to purge those found guilty of racism in UKIP’s ranks.

I suspect that many in the Radical Independence Conference, who organised the protest, would be as keen to slay the Euro dragon (albeit for very different reasons) as Farage is. This was not a pro-EU protest.

It was simply about popular distaste. As UKIP begins to nestle into the warm bosom of the British political establishment, Scots feel a need to point out that this just won’t fly in our own polity.

Activists need a structure to get them mobilised and Independence has given Scots something to congregate around. That journey towards self-expression naturally involves disdain; not for alien individuals, but alien ideas and values.

South of the border, One Nation Labour cannot lead an anti UKIP movement, for all that many in its ranks long for a new Nick Griffin shaped straw man. The reason this isn’t politically possible is that in England Labour have to fight elections with UKIP on right of centre issues. They have to talk tough on immigration and accept a litany of other myhts, not least the notorious “strives vs scroungers” fallacy.

Scotland is unique in that, while the populist left is long dead at a UK level, there has not been the swing to a right wing populism as represented by UKIP in England. As cultural critic Slavoj Žižek has pointed out a similar pattern can be seen throughout Europe.

In Scotland however; the popular enemy is not the “other”; not foreigners or neighbours; but the Westminster political and financial elite. The fact that Farage belongs to the latter not the former is irrelevant (from the perspective of this rowdy northern province the two are identical).

Fundamentally the movement towards self-government in Scotland provides a focal point for radical thought and action that calls out right wing populism for what it is.

Although some have already sought to sanitise the event by failing to report the fact that the it was organised by the RIC – they can’t ignore Farage’s words – he’s never had to hide from protestors until he came north of the border.

That’s because in Scotland UKIP consistently loses its deposits and only speaks on issues that are resonate in a very different place.

On Europe Farage may be the political outsider in London – but in Scotland his neo-Thatcherite brand of right-wing populism is simply foreign.

As the wealthy city financier, deported on grounds of political incompatibility, sped up the Royal Mile guarded from the mob like Queensberry, he may just have learned a lesson the London papers could never tell him.

Scotland isn’t anti-English – it’s just a different country.

Christopher Silver
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Not a good day for democracy.

Farage might be a few things but he isn't a racist.

I suppose all parties have nutters following them, clearly the SNP are no different.

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Farage might be a few things but he isn't a racist.


Farage needs to realise his anti-foreigner anti-immigrant agenda isn't wanted or popular here, no matter how many down south think the sun shines out of his rectum.
You may not think he's a racist, but that opinion isn't shared by everyone - and that includes many of his own supporters.

Personally, I think that, away from the cosy love affair he's having with the English media, he actually got a shock at the reaction he got. His plan to put the sweaty porridge wogs straight just backfired on him. TBH that shows how little he really knows about Scotland and it's people.

Now even the BBC hate him boo hoo :-({|=

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1398248-nigel-f ... otland.mp3

It appears anyone who doesn't agree with Farage is a racist. The irony seems to be completely lost on the man. #-o

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I suppose all parties have nutters following them, clearly the SNP are no different.


Who said they are SNP supporters?


Apart from Farage, that is. :lol:

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Farage’s Scottish Hounding Was an Antidote to Fawning Media Treatment.

Had the media focused more on Ukip’s policies, Farage might not have believed his hype and made such a blunder in Scotland.

Thursday’s confrontation between Nigel Farage and Scottish protesters has led people to question just why Ukip is so unpopular in Scotland. However, it is the wrong question to ask. Instead we should be asking just what has happened to English culture that a party with a loathsome agenda of homophobia, barely masked racism and a litany of other far-right notions has made such headway in the 21st century. One answer is the media’s obsessive treatment of personalities and not politics. The other is the extraordinary gulf that’s developing between Scotland and England about the twin referendum campaigns and the political cultures they reflect.

Farage told Good Morning Scotland’s David Miller on BBC Radio Scotland that Ukip had set its sights on Scottish success, but with this PR disaster it seems unlikely the party will improve on their 0.28% showing at the last election in Scotland. So why has such a party, that has no base at all in Scotland, been plastered all across our media for months? Partly this is the enduring Anglosphere, English culture and values writ large across the whole of Britain like a suffocating blanket, partly it is the depoliticised nature of contemporary media.

It’s striking how much of this whole situation has been hyped by media intrigue. “I agree with Nick” has been replaced with “I agree with Nigel”. This is from a media culture that is often unable to engage in political discussion of any depth and resorts repeatedly to individual portraits: Brown, surly, Kinnock, windbag, Nick, affable and so on. What’s been largely absent has been a real examination of Ukip’s policy platform or the actual consequences of withdrawal from the EU.

The outburst of venom unleashed by Ukip supporters after what was, after all, just a peaceful if vocal demonstration in a free society was telling. One prominent Ukip voice, Ron Northcott, the candidate for Plymouth appears to have tweeted: “Amazed that 50 Jocks could get out of bed that early. It’s not signing-on day, is it or is the chemist open?”

Visceral hatred like this is more and more commonplace but with such clear feelings it does kind of make the question why is Ukip so unpopular in Scotland? a little redundant.

Last night Ukip was met directly on the streets of Edinburgh by a well-organised group run by the Radical Independence Conference (RIC), leaving the allegations being flung about by Farage on the Today programme that this was “fascist scum filled with total and utter hatred of the English” as little more than pitiful irony. The group’s slogan, “Another Scotland is possible”, reflects the movement’s roots in radical and left-green politics. They are as far away from being fascists as Farage is from being elected north of Gretna. They, like many, are interested in “independence without nationalism”.

But the episode certainly put paid to the lazy and stupid attempts by some to equate the Ukip phenomenon with Scottish nationalism, or even the anti-EU referendum with the Scottish independence one.

Nothing’s certain in either plebiscite and comparing them is futile and manipulative. The SNP won a landslide on a promise to hold a referendum. Ukip hasn’t a single MP. As Seamus Milne has it: “A good part of Ukip’s bubble is as much a xenophobic expression of powerlessness and falling living standards as it is of opposition to the EU, which is well down most voters’ priority lists.”

Are people really obsessed by the EU? I very much doubt it. This is not an agenda supported by anyone working in trade or business and the whole anti-EU culture is likely to drive a heap of sane and savvy businesspeople towards the Yes campaign.

This Westminster Euro-frenzy may split the Tories, but it’s also likely to make the schism between Scotland and England on international trade and immigration into a chasm.

In February, Ipsos Mori polling showed us that 53% of Scots would vote for the UK to remain part of the EU, with 34% opposed, while 61% think an independent Scotland should be an EU member. A 19% margin in favour of the EU in Scotland, and an 8% margin against in England is particularly important in terms of the UK government’s latest announcement.

Further data from Ipsos Mori gives strong evidence of a significant divergence of opinion between the two nations. In a similar poll in November, 50% of people in England said they would vote to leave the EU compared with 42% wanting to remain.

If Ukip hadn’t had such an easy time in the media, Farage might have not believed his own hype and made such a disastrous PR blunder. Last night’s protest is also a watershed for those Scottish unionist pundits – who try to cling to the idea that there is a uniform political culture north and south of the border. But media treatment remains an ongoing issue. As Scott Hames, editor of Unstated: Writers on Scottish Independence has pointed out, last night is already being reframed thus:

The political class last week: “Farage is a dangerous, odious berk. Legitimising Ukip’s rhetoric is deeply worrying. The new acceptability of such views evokes [insert sinister 1930s reference].”
Farage visits Scotland, and is hounded.
The political class: “Farage isn’t my cup of tea, but the man deserved a fair hearing. Intolerance of Ukip’s rhetoric is deeply worrying. The unacceptability of such views evokes [insert sinister 1930s reference].”

What happened on Thursday on the streets of Edinburgh was a refreshing antidote to the fawning media treatment of Farage. But what now remains disturbing is the media’s stubborn inability to see the Scottish independence movement having a jurisdiction beyond the SNP. That’s going to change now. Now it’s clearer than ever: another Scotland is possible.

By Mike Small, Guardian.


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Farage needs to realise his anti-foreigner anti-immigrant agenda isn't wanted or popular here,


I'm sure it's just as wanted here as it is over the Border, he got ambushed by a bunch of gobby PC mouthpieces who only represent their own selfish agendas and who are intolerant to any views that oppose their own.

Bring it on Nige. =D> =D>


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Farage needs to realise his anti-foreigner anti-immigrant agenda isn't wanted or popular here,


I'm sure it's just as wanted here as it is over the Border, he got ambushed by a bunch of gobby PC mouthpieces who only represent their own selfish agendas and who are intolerant to any views that oppose their own.

Bring it on Nige. =D> =D>


Except in bloodknockshire, where they still doff their caps, tug their forelocks and vote for Tories. :badgrin:

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Not too sure about Scotland (nor England for that matter) calling itself a place that has always welcomed immigrants - as was said yesterday numerous times on BBC Radio Scotland - Irish Catholics were treated like scum.

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gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:

Farage might be a few things but he isn't a racist.


Farage needs to realise his anti-foreigner anti-immigrant agenda isn't wanted or popular here, no matter how many down south think the sun shines out of his rectum.
You may not think he's a racist, but that opinion isn't shared by everyone - and that includes many of his own supporters.

Personally, I think that, away from the cosy love affair he's having with the English media, he actually got a shock at the reaction he got. His plan to put the sweaty porridge wogs straight just backfired on him. TBH that shows how little he really knows about Scotland and it's people.

Now even the BBC hate him boo hoo :-({|=

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1398248-nigel-f ... otland.mp3

It appears anyone who doesn't agree with Farage is a racist. The irony seems to be completely lost on the man. #-o

I thought the use of that word, used in any context, had been sent to the rubbish bin years ago.

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The Menace of the Irish Race to Our Scottish Nationality: Scotland’s Campaign Against Irish Emigration in the 20th Century

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porridge wogs
I thought the use of that word, used in any context, had been sent to the rubbish bin years ago.


Well, you thought wrong, didn't you? :sad:

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gusmac wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
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Farage needs to realise his anti-foreigner anti-immigrant agenda isn't wanted or popular here,


I'm sure it's just as wanted here as it is over the Border, he got ambushed by a bunch of gobby PC mouthpieces who only represent their own selfish agendas and who are intolerant to any views that oppose their own.

Bring it on Nige. =D> =D>


Except in bloodknockshire, where they still doff their caps, tug their forelocks and vote for Tories. :badgrin:


Now now, your only jealous of our idyllic rural lives where we pay homage to those people that are an inspiration to us all, who lead by example and whom show us how we can all better and enrich ourselves through hard work and a total adhesion to conservative values..

God bless the squire. :wink:


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gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:

Farage might be a few things but he isn't a racist.


Farage needs to realise his anti-foreigner anti-immigrant agenda isn't wanted or popular here, no matter how many down south think the sun shines out of his rectum.
You may not think he's a racist, but that opinion isn't shared by everyone - and that includes many of his own supporters.

Personally, I think that, away from the cosy love affair he's having with the English media, he actually got a shock at the reaction he got. His plan to put the sweaty porridge wogs straight just backfired on him. TBH that shows how little he really knows about Scotland and it's people.

Now even the BBC hate him boo hoo :-({|=

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1398248-nigel-f ... otland.mp3

It appears anyone who doesn't agree with Farage is a racist. The irony seems to be completely lost on the man. #-o

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... e-BNP.html

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gusmac wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:

Farage might be a few things but he isn't a racist.


Farage needs to realise his anti-foreigner anti-immigrant agenda isn't wanted or popular here, no matter how many down south think the sun shines out of his rectum.
You may not think he's a racist, but that opinion isn't shared by everyone - and that includes many of his own supporters.

Personally, I think that, away from the cosy love affair he's having with the English media, he actually got a shock at the reaction he got. His plan to put the sweaty porridge wogs straight just backfired on him. TBH that shows how little he really knows about Scotland and it's people.

Now even the BBC hate him boo hoo :-({|=

http://audioboo.fm/boos/1398248-nigel-f ... otland.mp3

It appears anyone who doesn't agree with Farage is a racist. The irony seems to be completely lost on the man. #-o

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... e-BNP.html



doesn't seem that long ago since you were pointing the finger at the BBC Gus :shock:

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