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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 4:43 pm 
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EU exit would put US trade deal at risk, Britain warned

Obama officials say that the UK would probably be excluded from a trade agreement worth billions a year if it leaves the EU


Julian Borger, diplomatic editor
The Guardian, Monday 27 May 2013 16.10 BST

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David Cameron's visit to Washington this month was intended to promote the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership. Photograph: Rex Features

The Obama administration has warned British officials that if the UK leaves Europe it will exclude itself from a US-EU trade and investment partnership potentially worth hundreds of billions of pounds a year, and that it was very unlikely that Washington would make a separate deal with Britain.

The warning comes in the wake of David Cameron's visit to Washington, which was primarily intended as a joint promotion of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) with Barack Obama, which the prime minister said could bring £10bn a year to the UK alone, but which was overshadowed by a cabinet rebellion back in London.

The threat by Cameron's ministers to back a UK exit in a referendum on the EU raised doubts in Washington on whether Britain would still be part of the deal once it had been negotiated. More immediately, Obama administration officials were concerned that the uncertainty over Britain's future would further complicate what is already a hard sell in Congress, threatening a central pledge in the president's State of the Union address in February.

With formal negotiations expected to start within weeks, the state department already has hundreds of staff working on the partnership. Sources at US-UK meetings in London last week said American officials made it clear that it would take a monumental effort to get TTIP through a suspicious Congress and that "there would very little appetite" in Washington to do it all again with the UK if Britain walked out of Europe.

"Having Britain in the EU … is going to strengthen the possibility that we succeed in a very difficult negotiation, as it involves so many different interests and having Britain as a key player and pushing for this will be important," a senior US official said. "We have expressed our views of Britain's role in the EU and they haven't changed. TTIP negotiations underscore why we think it's important that it continues."

US officials say that the White House is particularly perplexed because Britain played a key role in persuading Obama to stake significant political capital on the ambitious transatlantic partnership. If it is successful it could be the biggest trade and investment deal in history, encompassing half the world's GDP and a third of its trade.

On both sides of the Atlantic there is hope that the boost provided by removing remaining barriers to US-EU trade and investment — worth about $1bn (£660m) and $4bn respectively – would help lift the west, and then the global economy, out of the doldrums. Writing in the US press this year, the British ambassador to Washington, Sir Peter Westmacott, said "a bold and comprehensive deal could be worth 1%-2% in additional GDP on both sides of the Atlantic. Even a 1% bump would translate, at current GDP levels, into an extra $325bn." He added that the UK shared the Obama administration's optimism that it could be completed in less than two years.

Addressing the Senate last week, the US under-secretary of state for economic growth, energy and the environment, Robert Hormats, said the TTIP "is, in many respects, a once-in-a-generation opportunity to reshape our relationship with the European Union". Hormats added it "will enhance our ability to build stronger relationships with emerging economies in Asia and elsewhere around the world".

Both European and American officials involved in preparatory talks on the partnership said that it was also intended as a bulwark against the economic challenge of China, aimed at forming a bloc powerful enough to lay down the rules of international trade and investment.

They pointed to the fact that Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan flew to Washington this month specifically to try to persuade Obama to include his country in negotiations. Officials said this was a reflection of the gravitational pull the partnership could exert on the rest of the world.

Gary Hufbauer, a former US Treasury official now a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, said that the administration's hopes to complete a far-reaching partnership in Obama's term may be over-optimistic and would be torpedoed altogether by a British exit from the EU.

"If the UK separates from the EU, I think will go a long way to derail the TTIP project entirely," Hufbauer said. "There would be a lot of questions raised. The administration has many battles ahead of it. It will add another layer of confusion on an already confused picture, and there will be lots of commercial concerns in the US [from those who] have had their eye on the UK markets."

The TTIP will aim to remove the relatively low tariffs of about 3% to 5% between the US and Europe, but its greatest impact will be felt in promoting investment in both directions largely by the convergence of regulations on either side of the Atlantic. One of the greatest potential advantages for the EU would be the opening up of tenders at the US state level to European suppliers. But in return, Europe would have to give up existing protections on its agriculture, film industry and public services.

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pmsl so much for that special relationship the sceptics keep on going on about :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:29 pm 
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I'm sure if there is anything that the Americans want to buy from us they will still purchase from us whether we are in the EU or not and Visa Versa..

We buy most of our stuff from non EU Countries and the same goes for exports, It's demand that controls Imports and exports, not Political greed.

We would be better out of that EU dictatorship and look towards the bigger world.

We are certainly not doing to well as a part of the EU, could it be any worse being out of it? I'd doubt it.


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I'm sure if there is anything that the Americans want to buy from us they will still purchase from us whether we are in the EU or not and Visa Versa..

We buy most of our stuff from non EU Countries and the same goes for exports, It's demand that controls Imports and exports, not Political greed.

We would be better out of that EU dictatorship and look towards the bigger world.

We are certainly not doing to well as a part of the EU, could it be any worse being out of it? I'd doubt it.



So Japan builds all those motor cars here for British use - or do they build them here to get around import taxes into Europe?

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:35 pm 
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You're wasting your breath CC. They don't want to listen.

This whole "get out of Europe" gig is down to the bankers. They don't want the EU pi$$ing in their pond.
The rest is just their bought and paid for politicians and media manipulating public opinion, round to the chosen result.

When the referendum comes, the result is a foregone conclusion. Nobody is putting up a serious case to stay.

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You're wasting your breath CC. They don't want to listen.

This whole "get out of Europe" gig is down to the bankers. They don't want the EU pi$$ing in their pond.
The rest is just their bought and paid for politicians and media manipulating public opinion, round to the chosen result.

When the referendum comes, the result is a foregone conclusion. Nobody is putting up a serious case to stay.



There will never be a referendum this side of an election, Cameron said it to get votes he thinks the people of the UK are stupid hence the rise in UKIP Voters at the last local elections.

I'd vote to pull out of the EU tomorrow, it'd save the UK £150billion a year.

It's rather surprising that Mr Cameron, despite everything, is still the most trusted party leader to negotiate a better deal for the UK in Europe." Really, this man is clearly from another planet, I wouldn't trust David Cameron to find his own arsehole with a map and a compass.


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Prediction there will be a referendum and this country will vote to stay in the EU.

Currently all we are seeing is the skirmishes, once the real facts are revealed, not the propaganda it will be clear leaving will catastrophic for the UK!

You had the chance and blew IT we the LEFT told you dont have it!!! but the RIGHT wingers WANTED IN AND CRETINISM PREVAILED, ITS TOO LATE NOW TO GET OUT NOW YOU NEED TO TAKE CONTROL =D> =D> =D>

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Prediction there will be a referendum and this country will vote to stay in the EU.

Currently all we are seeing is the skirmishes, once the real facts are revealed, not the propaganda it will be clear leaving will catastrophic for the UK!

You had the chance and blew IT we the LEFT told you dont have it!!! but the RIGHT wingers WANTED IN AND CRETINISM PREVAILED, ITS TOO LATE NOW TO GET OUT NOW YOU NEED TO TAKE CONTROL =D> =D> =D>


Would you like a bet on that TT?

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Skiman wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:
Prediction there will be a referendum and this country will vote to stay in the EU.

Currently all we are seeing is the skirmishes, once the real facts are revealed, not the propaganda it will be clear leaving will catastrophic for the UK!

You had the chance and blew IT we the LEFT told you dont have it!!! but the RIGHT wingers WANTED IN AND CRETINISM PREVAILED, ITS TOO LATE NOW TO GET OUT NOW YOU NEED TO TAKE CONTROL =D> =D> =D>


Would you like a bet on that TT?



YES :D

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trotskys twin wrote:
Skiman wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:
Prediction there will be a referendum and this country will vote to stay in the EU.

Currently all we are seeing is the skirmishes, once the real facts are revealed, not the propaganda it will be clear leaving will catastrophic for the UK!

You had the chance and blew IT we the LEFT told you dont have it!!! but the RIGHT wingers WANTED IN AND CRETINISM PREVAILED, ITS TOO LATE NOW TO GET OUT NOW YOU NEED TO TAKE CONTROL =D> =D> =D>


Would you like a bet on that TT?




YES :D


How much?? :D :D

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a PEPPERCORN :D

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Prediction there will be a referendum and this country will vote to stay in the EU.

Be amazed if that was outcome.

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a PEPPERCORN :D

Tight arse!

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Prediction there will be a referendum and this country will vote to stay in the EU.

Be amazed if that was outcome.


Frankly I would be more than amazed! :-o :-o

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There will be a referendum, but only if the banks don't get what they want from the EU.
And in case you're wondering, they want continued unfettered access to your pockets.
They want to continue playing the same high stakes poker game they've been playing for years. They get the profits and we pay off the losses.

BTW people are like sheep. They will be told what to think, just like they always are.

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