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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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How many buses are WAV's is that transport 100% or is it just when it's feasible :?

I believe all train carriages are now wheelchair enabled & in Brum all the buses now lower forward at bus stops & all the bus stops have elevated curbs so that wheelchairs can go straight into the bus, where there are specific places for wheelchairs.

Perhaps Brum is far more forward thinking on this subject than most councils.

After all Brums motto is 'Forward'.


Maybe thats why half the rail companies are about financially fecked...sufferering from a bad dose of over compliance.


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Idiot driver in a TX as it happens.

I would have declined the hiring after explaining why to the passengers.


I was under the impression the wheelchair was not loaded correctly and it had little to do with the wheelchair size.

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From what I can gather it is highly debatable if the wheelchair could have been successfully turned round into the correct position.

With two extra passengers, there would not have been enough room in my Metrocab 6 seater.

So I would have offered to carry the wheelchair passenger, but only if it could be positioned & restarained correctly ..... refusal to carry a wheelchair is illegal ..... but would then have advised the accompanying passengers that I could only carry the wheelchair passenger, but not them.

May drivers erroneously believe that if a wheelchair passenger is accompanied by an escort or a few other passengers, then because one of the passengers is in a wheelchair they must take the hiring.

They must in the first instance offer to take the wheelchair passenger in the correct manner. After that if the other passengers can't travel with the wheelchair passenger, then they either get a second cab or I can call a larger vehicle.

But at no time do I refuse to take a wheelchair passenger, but only in the correct manner always.

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Its fun being part of this game because we all actually know if we all had WAV's and worked according to the original HC game, we'd be lucky to pick up more than 1 wheelchair passenger each month.

Ask GBC.....he's a one man band in London, how many wheelchair jobs has he done in the last 12 months? My guess is 1.

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Its fun being part of this game because we all actually know if we all had WAV's and worked according to the original HC game, we'd be lucky to pick up more than 1 wheelchair passenger each month.

Ask GBC.....he's a one man band in London, how many wheelchair jobs has he done in the last 12 months? My guess is 1.

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I'm about the same.

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There's no such thing as a Hack operator license!!

There will be in Scotland next month.

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What is the "Wheelchair" as being used in this waffle, is there a "standard wheelchair"?

otherwise its meaningless, cos 1 user of a unique wheelchair can scream they are being discriminated against, you cant have an AOP where specific items are not defined, otherwise some smartarse lawyer will rip it apart

this is a wheelchair user...



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but so is this

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and SO is this

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so, which wheelchair is it to be?

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wannabeeahack wrote:
What is the "Wheelchair" as being used in this waffle, is there a "standard wheelchair"?

otherwise its meaningless, cos 1 user of a unique wheelchair can scream they are being discriminated against, you cant have an AOP where specific items are not defined, otherwise some smartarse lawyer will rip it apart

this is a wheelchair user...



Image

but so is this

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and SO is this

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so, which wheelchair is it to be?



good point..some of these things are the size of the Moon Buggy, no one vehicle will ever, ever cater for all. :roll:


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There's no such thing as a Hack operator license!!

There will be in Scotland next month.


Operator's licence in Scotland is the plate, Taxi or PH.
Each can take their own bookings.

Booking office licences start from 16th November this year and are only required for booking operations which taking bookings for 4 or more licensed vehicles.

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good point..some of these things are the size of the Moon Buggy, no one vehicle will ever, ever cater for all. :roll:


Errm thats a point I was trying to make all last night :wink:

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captain cab wrote:
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good point..some of these things are the size of the Moon Buggy, no one vehicle will ever, ever cater for all. :roll:

Errm thats a point I was trying to make all last night :wink:

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Very true to Mr Bloodnock's point & Captain, you didn't make that clear.

Bearing the above in mind & accepting it to be the case, if all WAV drivers from day one of the DDA had DONE THE JOB PROPERLY, ..... only carried wheelchairs in the prescibed manner, properly strapped in & refused all wheelchair hirings that did not conform, used the risk assessments & a check list as above etc., etc., where would the DDA be now??

Re-written or useless IMO!!

But most drivers don't know how to lawfully refuse a wheelchair!!

The point is that every wheelchair user has to be given the opportunity to travel in a WAV, BUT if they cannot be accommodated in the correct & prescribed manner, then the reason why the hiring is being declined must be explained to the wheelchair would be passenger.

Instead, we have WAV cabbies all over the country doing the job incorrectly & dangerously, by carrying wheelchair passengers sideways & in the vast majority of cases un-restrained.

We even have idiot drivers opening passenger compartment windows to stick the wheelchair passengers feet out of the window, just to accommodated a prone positioned wheelchair passenger.

We've shot ourselves in the foot.

And let's face it ..... the majority of WAVs are only cosmetic WAVs, as far as carrying wheelchairs is concerned. The only vehicle that remotely full complies would be something like the lwb E7 or the like, with rear seating on forward / backward runners so that the maximum space for any wheelchair can be available.

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If drivers don't know how to lawfully refuse a fare then they shouldn't be licensed.

If drivers don't know how to load and correctly secure wheelchair bound passengers.....then they shouldn't be licensed.

There is a report out there somewhere from a firm called ricability, this seems to have gone missing from their website and the DFT's.

The report names the make and model of hundreds of wheelchairs and basically states if they can be carried in taxis.......the majority cannot.

The NTA did suggest that a kite-mark or suchlike should be available to let the driver know if the wheelchair was safe in the taxi.....shame the report is AWOL.

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If drivers don't know how to lawfully refuse a fare then they shouldn't be licensed.

If drivers don't know how to load and correctly secure wheelchair bound passengers.....then they shouldn't be licensed.

There is a report out there somewhere from a firm called ricability, this seems to have gone missing from their website and the DFT's.

The report names the make and model of hundreds of wheelchairs and basically states if they can be carried in taxis.......the majority cannot.

The NTA did suggest that a kite-mark or suchlike should be available to let the driver know if the wheelchair was safe in the taxi.....shame the report is AWOL.

CC

I might have it in my stuff, I'll look later when I have time.

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http://www.unece.org/trans/doc/2003/wp29grsg/GRSG-ig-access-01-03.pdf

http://www.mhra.gov.uk/Publications/Safetyguidance/DeviceBulletins/CON007306


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captain cab wrote:

Thanks but I already had both of those, but my copy of the 'Safety of Wheelchair Occupants in Road Passenger Vehicles' seemed incomplete when compared with your copy, so I've over-written it with yours. Thanks again.

The only other one I have is titled, 'Ergonomics assessment of the movement of wheelchair users by taxi drivers' from the Health & Safety Laboratory.

Do you have that one or shall I email a copy to you?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Thanks but I already had both of those, but my copy of the 'Safety of Wheelchair Occupants in Road Passenger Vehicles' seemed incomplete when compared with your copy, so I've over-written it with yours. Thanks again.

The only other one I have is titled, 'Ergonomics assessment of the movement of wheelchair users by taxi drivers' from the Health & Safety Laboratory.

Do you have that one or shall I email a copy to you?


I got it somewhere.....its a shame Jack Higgins dont do these books, at least we'd have a decent story :wink:

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