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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
No.....its replaced by the Equality bill 2009.

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So the DDA 1995 will not be replaced by the Equality Bill until that Bill becomes an Act ..... if it does.[/quote]

I guess so......the relevant bits are at the back of the Bill, there are a few other acts being repealed at the same time, but the concept basically is that a taxi or PHV cannot discriminate at all, which is only correct, they seem to be of the mindset that we cannot refuse a service on the basis of skin colour.....which is the same as a persons disability......I find this difficult to disagree with and the logic is quite brilliant really.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Next question ..... what is the first and third requirement?


I think its the service offered;

28 Provision of services, etc.

(1) A person (a “service-provider”) concerned with the provision of a service to the public or a section of the public (for payment or not) must not discriminate against a person requiring the service by not providing the person with the service.

(2) A service-provider (A) must not, in providing the service, discriminate against a person (B)—

(a) as to the terms on which A provides the service to B;

(b) by terminating the provision of the service to B;

(c) by subjecting B to any other detriment.

(3) A service-provider must not, in relation to the provision of the service, harass—

(a) a person requiring the service, or

(b) a person to whom the service-provider provides the service.

(4) A service-provider must not victimise a person requiring the service by not providing the person with the service.

(5) A service-provider (A) must not, in providing the service, victimise a person

(B)—

(a) as to the terms on which A provides the service to B;

(b) by terminating the provision of the service to B;

(c) by subjecting B to any other detriment.

(6) A person must not, in the exercise of a public function that is not the provision of a service to the public or a section of the public, do anything that constitutes discrimination, harassment or victimisation.

(7) A duty to make reasonable adjustments applies to—

(a) a service-provider (and see also section 53(7));

(b) a person who exercises a public function that is not the provision of a
service to the public or a section of the public.

(8.) In the application of section 25 for the purposes of subsection (3), and
subsection (6) as it relates to harassment, neither of the following is a relevant protected characteristic—

(a) religion or belief;

(b) sexual orientation.

(9) In the application of this section, so far as relating to race or religion or belief, to the granting of entry clearance (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971), it does not matter whether an act is done within or outside the United Kingdom.

(10) Subsection (9) does not affect the application of any other provision of this Act to conduct outside England and Wales or Scotland.

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they seem to be of the mindset that we cannot refuse a service on the basis of skin colour.....which is the same as a persons disability......I find this difficult to disagree with and the logic is quite brilliant really.

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That's a big PC no, no, surely?

How on earth can you equate a person's skin colour to being disabled????

:roll: :roll: :roll:

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I didn't it's in the act

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for the hard of thinking (e.g. me) the govt. produced this little booklet.



http://www.equalities.gov.uk/pdf/EasyRead_Equality_Bill_notes%20Low%20Res%20Web%20Acc.pdf


I'm still trying to see where we ALL need to get WAVs. It says all disabled, including those in wheelchairs. So surely the ambulent disabled should also be treated equally. 100% WAVs can't be the answer, can it?

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for the hard of thinking (e.g. me) the govt. produced this little booklet.

http://www.equalities.gov.uk/pdf/EasyRead_Equality_Bill_notes%20Low%20Res%20Web%20Acc.pdf

I'm still trying to see where we ALL need to get WAVs. It says all disabled, including those in wheelchairs. So surely the ambulent disabled should also be treated equally. 100% WAVs can't be the answer, can it?

I think the ultimate utopian idea of the government is for all forms of transport to be able to carry both passengers that need WAVs & the ambulent disable. The last time a vehicle capable of doing both was talked about, figure of £45K-£50K for the cost of such a vehicle were quote. That was back in the late 1990's.

Of course the likes of you & me would have to pay for such a vehicle & as we are all self-employed, does the government care? If this idea were to become law, then I could foresee an explosion of taxi & PH barons, with may or most drivers having to rent vehicles or even being employed on a PAYE basis by these barons or companies owning fleets of vehicles.

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Dare I suggest the fiat doblo satisfies the needs of both the ambient disabled and wheelchair bound ( as well as those other equalities we must also cater for ) ?

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An extract from that easyread equality brochure says:

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An example of how this might work:
A company wants to hire a new manager.Tom and Emma have applied for the job.Both of them can do the job equally well.
All the managers in this company are men.The company will be allowed to choose Emma to help make their company more equal.



How in f*cks name can discriminating against half the population in order to give the other half a bigger advantage be classed as Equality??

This is Nulab Shyte at its very worst....who wrote that bloody brochure?? was it a bunch of primary school kids, the artwork looks like it was..so does the way its written, they must think we're a nation of F*ckwits :roll:


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This "disabled" looks a good idea, and something to aim at

I sat in Morrisons saturday having brekky and watched the "disabled" come and go, i didnt see ONE wheelchair, but i did see plenty of 08/09 reg motors with "nil" on the tax disc fee.......

where do i apply, cos most, if not all the drivers+passengers seemed fitter (and better off) than me....

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bloodnock wrote:
we're a nation of F*ckwits :roll:


I find that point difficult to argue against.

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I just read the PDF. What a load of patronising bovine by-product.

"...The company will be 'allowed' to choose Emma to make their company fairer..."

Great, so failures everywhere get an even bigger excuse to claim victimisation of some sort.


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I just read the PDF. What a load of patronising bovine by-product.

"...The company will be 'allowed' to choose Emma to make their company fairer..."

Great, so failures everywhere get an even bigger excuse to claim victimisation of some sort.


I sacked emma because she was retarded and dribbled over the computers......that aint gonna cut it at an industrial tribunal :wink:

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This "disabled" looks a good idea, and something to aim at

I sat in Morrisons saturday having brekky and watched the "disabled" come and go, i didnt see ONE wheelchair, but i did see plenty of 08/09 reg motors with "nil" on the tax disc fee.......

where do i apply, cos most, if not all the drivers+passengers seemed fitter (and better off) than me....


Must be a Morrsisons phenomena...I see the exact same thing from my morrison cafe to...sometimes not even a walking stick and more often than not its a fine solitary healthy specimen of Homo sapien that springs forth from the blue badged invalid machine thats hogging the wheelchair bay..


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captain cab wrote:
Dare I suggest the fiat doblo satisfies the needs of both the ambient disabled and wheelchair bound ( as well as those other equalities we must also cater for ) ?

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True, and they only cost around £12K.

But you still have to contend with driving a vehicle that looks wan*. :wink:


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wannabeeahack wrote:
This "disabled" looks a good idea, and something to aim at

I sat in Morrisons saturday having brekky and watched the "disabled" come and go, i didnt see ONE wheelchair, but i did see plenty of 08/09 reg motors with "nil" on the tax disc fee.......

where do i apply, cos most, if not all the drivers+passengers seemed fitter (and better off) than me....

Must be a Morrsisons phenomena...I see the exact same thing from my morrison cafe to...sometimes not even a walking stick and more often than not its a fine solitary healthy specimen of Homo sapien that springs forth from the blue badged invalid machine thats hogging the wheelchair bay..

The vehicle bought on Mobilty Benifit is, in a lot of cases, not driven by the person receiving the benefit, but by a third party, usually a family member, because tha claimant is unable to drive. That part is perfectly legal.

What is not legal is the use of the Blue Badge for disabled parking whilst not accompanied by the claimant & it's questionable if the family member driver should use the vehicle as his / her own run-around.

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