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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:41 pm 
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Oh happy days :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:46 pm 
Yes i suppose we will have to wait and see. I hope this one wont last for fifteen month.Keep your chin up though. :D :D :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:51 pm 
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Of course on the back of the selective Select Committee, everyone will now be back buying plates for tens of thousands.

Or will they? :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 9:08 pm 
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i think sussex has a valid point

the make up of the select committee, an mp from york, so evidence accepted from york, mp's from the north west, so evidence accepted from the north west.

I dont have a lot of problem with the committee's findings, after all the oft report was a pretty poor waste of £250k, but i dont think anyone can count chickens as of yet. :?:

is a fat lady singing? no its that bird who won pop idol :shock:

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captain,
You are right to sit on the fence. This mud slinging should wait until we all KNOW and not what we are assuming.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 2:28 am 
no thats not fair to sit on the fence on an issue, that will probabl;y fundamentaly change our trade, we must discuss and respond.

otherwise as they say in Bacup the [edited by admin] will hit the fan.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:12 pm 
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"otherwise as they say in Bacup when the [edited by admin] hits the fan"
Was that not the Eric Cantona incident? :wink:
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:52 am 
Sussex Man wrote:
So they say,

The OFT report manifestly does not contain the evidence required to support its only proposal for legislative change: the abolition of quantity regulation. Its figures only support its case with considerable "adjustment" (which is never explained), its statistical and survey evidence are flawed, and it fails to consider the relationship between the taxi and PHV markets. Nor does the OFT explain why the taxi and PHV market has been the fastest growing form of transport over the last 25 years, and has grown by more then 40 per cent in real terms since 1994, if quantity restrictions have been so detrimental. Its recommendations on quantity control should be rejected.

But I bet you the Minister gets rid of the quotas. :wink:

Exactly who was asked to give evidence?

Was anyone from the PH trade, was anyone from the Institute of Licensing, was anyone from Consumer Organizations?

Nope, but the latter two have a far bigger say than anyone who was there.

I can feel a critique coming on. :D



hang on sussex you are getting like nigel.

this report had [edited by admin] all to do with the ph trade
had an imput from licensing officers, and there are no consumer organisations

please dont bend the truth nigel confuses us enough with that.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:29 am 
Whatever Mick wrote:
Sussex Man wrote:
So they say,

The OFT report manifestly does not contain the evidence required to support its only proposal for legislative change: the abolition of quantity regulation. Its figures only support its case with considerable "adjustment" (which is never explained), its statistical and survey evidence are flawed, and it fails to consider the relationship between the taxi and PHV markets. Nor does the OFT explain why the taxi and PHV market has been the fastest growing form of transport over the last 25 years, and has grown by more then 40 per cent in real terms since 1994, if quantity restrictions have been so detrimental. Its recommendations on quantity control should be rejected.

But I bet you the Minister gets rid of the quotas. :wink:

Exactly who was asked to give evidence?

Was anyone from the PH trade, was anyone from the Institute of Licensing, was anyone from Consumer Organizations?

Nope, but the latter two have a far bigger say than anyone who was there.

I can feel a critique coming on. :D



hang on sussex you are getting like nigel.

this report had [edited by admin] all to do with the ph trade
had an imput from licensing officers, and there are no consumer organisations

please dont bend the truth nigel confuses us enough with that.


The truth is Geoff you don't like the truth same as Sussex, you try to turn it round and use it against people. :D :D :D


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 15, 2004 5:48 am 
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Whatever Mick wrote:
Sussex Man wrote:
So they say,

The OFT report manifestly does not contain the evidence required to support its only proposal for legislative change: the abolition of quantity regulation. Its figures only support its case with considerable "adjustment" (which is never explained), its statistical and survey evidence are flawed, and it fails to consider the relationship between the taxi and PHV markets. Nor does the OFT explain why the taxi and PHV market has been the fastest growing form of transport over the last 25 years, and has grown by more then 40 per cent in real terms since 1994, if quantity restrictions have been so detrimental. Its recommendations on quantity control should be rejected.

But I bet you the Minister gets rid of the quotas. :wink:

Exactly who was asked to give evidence?

Was anyone from the PH trade, was anyone from the Institute of Licensing, was anyone from Consumer Organizations?

Nope, but the latter two have a far bigger say than anyone who was there.

I can feel a critique coming on. :D



hang on sussex you are getting like nigel.

this report had [edited by admin] all to do with the ph trade
had an imput from licensing officers, and there are no consumer organisations

please dont bend the truth nigel confuses us enough with that.


The truth is Geoff you don't like the truth same as Sussex, you try to turn it round and use it against people. :D :D :D




Realy Nige?
"IM LEAVING THIS TRADE iVE HAD ENOUGH"

About texting while a passenger is in the cab "well we all do it"

nige your quotes stand on thier own, we dont need to point them against you they race there on thier own.


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Back to the report, you would have thought by the tone of the SC's views, that OFT have got their figures well out.

They quote time and time again the Stats report, but that report doesn't call into question OFT numbers, it just asks for further clarification.

And by the tone of OFT press release, it may well get it, and a little bit more. :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:05 pm 
I think to be honest sussex is right,

a first round KO by the T&G and NTA?, I would suggest it's a tad premature to say how its gone until after the government announcement next month.

Can't really see the OFT spending £250k on a report without making a little fight of it, lets face it if the select committee is the end of it, there's got to be at least two jobs going in the OFT offices next week.

Perhaps the fat lady is preparing to sing, nothing more.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:32 pm 
T&G Press Release-

OFT report should now be rejected by government and councils, says T&G


A damning report by the House of Commons Transport Select Committee on the Office of Fair Trading's proposal to remove key aspects of taxi regulation has been welcomed by the Transport and General Workers Union, the taxi drivers' trade union. The committee made it clear that the OFT's plans were not thought through, provided no real evidence to support its claims and so should be rejected.

"The proper place for the OFT's plans is in the bin." said Peter Kavanagh."We said their proposals were naive, driven by narrow dogma and would not deliver the shorter waiting timesfor passengers. We're very pleased that the Transport Select Committee has so comprehensively demolished the OFT report and call on the government and local councils not to countenance deregulation."

The T&G is the largest trade union operating in public transportand has first hand experience built up over a number of years of the impacts of deregulation. As far as the taxi industry is concerned the union said local councils already had the powers to plan local provision and it should be those powers that are used to provide the planning to meet local needs. Proper planning, the union said, would meet customer needs and ensure taxi drivers could earn a decent living.

The Transport Select Committee produced nine recommendations. These cultimated in recommendation 9 - the most damning one which said, " The OFT report manifestly does not contain the evidence required to support its only proposal for legislative change: the abolition of quantative restrictions. Its figures only support its case with considerable "adjustment" (which is never explained), its statistical and survey evidence are flawed, and it fails to consider the relationship between the taxi and PHV market. Nor does the OFT explain why the taxi and PHV market has been the fastest growing form of transport over the last 25 years, and has grown by over 40% in real terms since 1994, if quantity restrictions have been so detrimental. Its recommendations on quantity control should be rejected."

"The OFT sent ripples of dicontent throughout our membership." added Mr Kavanagh."The Select Committee has acted responsibly and well to calm fears. Our canpaign to persuade Government to reject this report has recieved a welcome boost, and we will continue until its successful conclusion."


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Anonymous wrote:
"We're very pleased that the Transport Select Committee has so comprehensively demolished the OFT report and call on the government and local councils not to countenance deregulation."


Shock horror :shock: the T&G scare-mongering again. :shock:

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Anonymous wrote:
The T&G is the largest trade union operating in public transportand has first hand experience built up over a number of years of the impacts of deregulation.


I see they are no-longer the largest taxi union in the UK. They must have been reading TDO. :wink:

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