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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:44 am 
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Do you mean who got barred when he found out that they wear reading the private messages

Getting desperate here aren't we. :shock:

PM's aren't able to be read on this software, and I'm sure those behind TDO couldn't give a f*** what people PM to each other.

We aren't all as sad as the letter from Merseyside.:-$


Why not check your facts? PMs CAN be read boy - you don't know PHP (In case you wonder that's the programming language that the forum is written in.) It is also possible to access the database independently of the actual forum and read the PM's there - all it needs is the right software.


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Perhaps, Ali T, you should explain to Jasbar the benefits of buying a permit - he does not seem to share your enthusiasm !!!! :D :D

With your combined experience in the trade, how can you have such divergent views on something as simple as a station permit ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Exclusive rental ??? Is that where YOU are the ONLY one to get sacked when the owner sells his plate ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


i cant be sacked i dont work for anyone thats a common misconception :roll:

mike i never said i bought a permit i said i used to have one
its amazing what you can do with a pc and a printer these days :lol: :lol:
ill leave paying for something that is rightly mine to people like you
you obviously dont want to or are more likely incapable of answering the posts,so im off to bed youre boring me


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 Post subject: Edinburgh, Jacobs report
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 1:49 am 
Right, now that the light weights have gone........ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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jasbar wrote:
Why is no one arguing the case FOR the Jacob Report?

All of those who disagree with the case for freeing up the taxi market - like every other market in our free enterprise economic culture - should be pointing out to us where Jacob got it right.

Truth is, they're not interested in debate. All we get is the yah boo of the playground and childish rantings of "you called me names".

Time to grow up is it not. Cos while these guys are hiding their heads in the playground sandpit, aint nothing gonna improve.

Once again mike. The issues. Pick the topic.

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Why should the Jacobs report need its case argued. There has been nothing factual in any case against it. JD takes figures out of context others take quotes and twist them to suit themselves.
Until you and your wee gang accept that you are the only minority placing any significance on plate values, you are the only minority demanding free and extra plates and you are the minority out of step with common sense then there is little point in debate. Just read Skull's and Ali T's posts - are they making debatable points or just throwing insults?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:00 am 
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mike wrote:
Perhaps, Ali T, you should explain to Jasbar the benefits of buying a permit - he does not seem to share your enthusiasm !!!! :D :D

With your combined experience in the trade, how can you have such divergent views on something as simple as a station permit ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Exclusive rental ??? Is that where YOU are the ONLY one to get sacked when the owner sells his plate ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


i cant be sacked i dont work for anyone thats a common misconception :roll:

mike i never said i bought a permit i said i used to have one
its amazing what you can do with a pc and a printer these days :lol: :lol:
ill leave paying for something that is rightly mine to people like you
you obviously dont want to or are more likely incapable of answering the posts,so im off to bed youre boring me


Does that mean that if you didn't pay, say 4 weeks rental and had been in arrears for some months, the taxi owner would just let you go on driving his cab?


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RealCabforce wrote:
jasbar wrote:
Why is no one arguing the case FOR the Jacob Report?

All of those who disagree with the case for freeing up the taxi market - like every other market in our free enterprise economic culture - should be pointing out to us where Jacob got it right.

Truth is, they're not interested in debate. All we get is the yah boo of the playground and childish rantings of "you called me names".

Time to grow up is it not. Cos while these guys are hiding their heads in the playground sandpit, aint nothing gonna improve.

Once again mike. The issues. Pick the topic.

:lol:

Why should the Jacobs report need its case argued. There has been nothing factual in any case against it. JD takes figures out of context others take quotes and twist them to suit themselves.
Until you and your wee gang accept that you are the only minority placing any significance on plate values, you are the only minority demanding free and extra plates and you are the minority out of step with common sense then there is little point in debate. Just read Skull's and Ali T's posts - are they making debatable points or just throwing insults?



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As I said before it is impossible to have a robust and comprehensive SUD if you leave out any of the contributing factors, such as the increase of 400 Ph or the opening up of the airport. It’s not about demand or whether it exists or not it’s about who will meet the demand in its various forms.

The fact is Jacobs knew exactly how to conduct a robust and comprehensive SUD and didn’t. The methodology behind the Jacob’s report is flawed, simply because of what was deliberately left out.

They didn’t even appear to cover their tracks. I suspect that they knew that Ian Millership was about to be moved on and it wouldn’t surprise me if he got something in the way of a backhander for doing next to nothing in assessing the SUD. At the end of the day you get what you pay for one way or the other.



You obviously know [edited by admin] all about SUD's

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 Post subject: Edinburgh, Jacobs report
PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:09 am 
Skull wrote[As I said before it is impossible to have a robust and comprehensive SUD if you leave out any of the contributing factors, such as the increase of 400 Ph or the opening up of the airport. It’s not about demand or whether it exists or not it’s about who will meet the demand in its various forms. quote]

I do have to agree on this point, especially the airport as this will create demand overnight.[/quote]


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I think Central and Com Cab a about the £100 mark I was paying £80 a week five years ago I believe it went up in the last year.


If you need the precise figures I will have no problem getting them?


That would come in very handy indeed. If you could also find out how many cabs central and city cabs have on their circuit that would be helpful too.

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Jacobs could not be further away from a SUD if it tried.


You are hallucinating if you think the Council are going to stand behind this report, every man and his dog is scrutinizing it now.


Have you any idea of the [edited by admin] that is coming there way on this subject. They will give it up before they will put their heads on the chopping block for the vested intrest groups in the taxi trade.




Corruption, corruption and corruption springs to mind.

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JD wrote:
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I think Central and Com Cab a about the £100 mark I was paying £80 a week five years ago I believe it went up in the last year.


If you need the precise figures I will have no problem getting them?


That would come in very handy indeed. If you could also find out how many cabs central and city cabs have on their circuit that would be helpful too.

Regards

JD


Consider it done.

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Skull wrote:
Jacobs could not be further away from a SUD if it tried.


You are hallucinating if you think the Council are going to stand behind this report, every man and his dog is scrutinizing it now.


Have you any idea of the s**t that is coming there way on this subject. They will give it up before they will put their heads on the chopping block for the vested interest groups in the taxi trade.




Corruption, corruption and corruption springs to mind.




This post was meant for you realcabforce I would hate to think you missed it.

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Why should the Jacobs report need its case argued. There has been nothing factual in any case against it. JD takes figures out of context others take quotes and twist them to suit themselves.
Until you and your wee gang accept that you are the only minority placing any significance on plate values, you are the only minority demanding free and extra plates and you are the minority out of step with common sense then there is little point in debate. Just read Skull's and Ali T's posts - are they making debatable points or just throwing insults?


Is there anything factual in it? Isn't it constructed with all the aplomb of a postman pat tale?

Now let me see. Council has information. Council gives information to Jacob. Jacob gives information back to council. Council pays Jacob £28000. Yeah, that's cool?

No mention of the airport. No mention of the increasing demand being soaked up by private hire - which just happened to "trigger" the report in the first place.

Kinda seems to me like the council just wanted some blurb to justify not issuing more licences. Why?

Couldn't be anything to do with various councillors having their fingers in the private hire pie could it? Keep taxi numbers down, pals make more cash? Councillors make more cash?

Couldn't be anything to do with ensuring plate scarcity, making sure that plate values keep rising so that rentals can rise with them?

Couldn't be so that drivers are kept at the bottom of the pile, forced to pay more, work longer and harder can it? ( an almost certainly doomed concept when the working time directive hits the trade)

Or is it just self denial? The move is away from quantity to quality controls, which just happens to be the norm for every other commercial enterprise. Why do the self interested merchants believe it should be any different in the taxi trade? And, why do they think councils can manage the taxi market better than market forces can, particularly when anything councils do dip their fingers in is usually a disaster. Edinburgh's council is led by a lab technician. He knows how to manage the taxi market?

There can be no doubt the forces for change will prevail, its's just those trying to preserve ludicrous plate values are still sleeping, the coffee still to be smelled.

This isn't about free and extra plates. It's about a radical restructuring of the trade. It's about competing on a level playing field with competitors. It's about providing a better service to customers. It's about embracing change, new technology and being in the position to respond to that change when it inevitably comes. Its about receiving just reward for honest endeavour.

Just because someone foolishly paid out £45K to buy a job, to buy the exploitation rights on a driver(s), so what? Their call. Their mistake. They're wrong.

It's a coming. It's a gonna happen. No doubt about it.

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RealCabforce wrote:
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mike wrote:
Perhaps, Ali T, you should explain to Jasbar the benefits of buying a permit - he does not seem to share your enthusiasm !!!! :D :D

With your combined experience in the trade, how can you have such divergent views on something as simple as a station permit ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Exclusive rental ??? Is that where YOU are the ONLY one to get sacked when the owner sells his plate ??? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


i cant be sacked i dont work for anyone thats a common misconception :roll:

mike i never said i bought a permit i said i used to have one
its amazing what you can do with a pc and a printer these days :lol: :lol:
ill leave paying for something that is rightly mine to people like you
you obviously dont want to or are more likely incapable of answering the posts,so im off to bed youre boring me


Does that mean that if you didn't pay, say 4 weeks rental and had been in arrears for some months, the taxi owner would just let you go on driving his cab?




Is that like saying that those who have nothing to lose and those who have everything to lose should take more care about what they say and what they imply, chum.


The gutter waits there for us all and you should know that better than anyone.


Step over that line and the dye is cast.

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jasbar wrote:
The Waverley just happens to be the biggest taxi rank
And I, when I drop off in the station, and the rank is empty cos it's busy everywhere, well I just pick up anyway. For free. Hey, I'm only providing a service. But, why would I want to buy a permit?


I would be very careful picking up off a railway station permit rank, no doubt be aware that you can be prosecuted under the Railway Act for tresspass on railway property. One driver in our station was charged by the Transport police, the tresspass charge was dropped but they got him on another charge, illegally plying for hire on railway property, don't quote me the actual charge could be called something else from the railway act, he was found guilty in court and given conditional discharge


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Stinky Pete wrote:
jasbar wrote:
The Waverley just happens to be the biggest taxi rank
And I, when I drop off in the station, and the rank is empty cos it's busy everywhere, well I just pick up anyway. For free. Hey, I'm only providing a service. But, why would I want to buy a permit?


I would be very careful picking up off a railway station permit rank, no doubt be aware that you can be prosecuted under the Railway Act for tresspass on railway property. One driver in our station was charged by the Transport police, the tresspass charge was dropped but they got him on another charge, illegally plying for hire on railway property, don't quote me the actual charge could be called something else from the railway act, he was found guilty in court and given conditional discharge


A heinous crime against society then, I'll be sure to remember this one in my quest to destroy the world.

I suppose they could write on his tombstone "nearly committed a crime" :lol:

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