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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:44 pm 
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I think I'm even starting to confuse myself now. :x

In the reports the council say they are issuing both PH and taxi plates at the current price. Now PH is simple, but if they restrict taxi plates, how can they issue any, at any price?

Take your area, I bet you don't have replacement licensed taxis at hand. Because if there were any spare, then they would be out working, or sold for £50,000+.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:53 pm 
Sussex wrote:
I think I'm even starting to confuse myself now. :x

In the reports the council say they are issuing both PH and taxi plates at the current price. Now PH is simple, but if they restrict taxi plates, how can they issue any, at any price?

Take your area, I bet you don't have replacement licensed taxis at hand. Because if there were any spare, then they would be out working, or sold for £50,000+.


The way I read it was that if a Hackney or private hire vehicle was involved in an accident and was off the road for a period of time, a replacement vehicle would be supplied by the insurance company. The licence holder would still use his own hackney or private hire licence plate.

Does that sound about right?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:10 pm 
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Now that would be the simple thing to do, and in case of PHs, you just license it as a PH. :D

But for HC it's different, and in my area they don't allow replacement taxis. Well they would, but by the time all the paper-work was sorted, the old car would be fixed.

What would have to happen down here is;
1) You would have to transfer the vehicle license of the damaged car to the replacement car.
2) The new car would have to be in the name of the plate holder of the damaged car, not the owners of the replacement car.
3) The new car would have to be insured by the plate holder of the damaged car, not the owners of the replacement car.
4) The new car would have to be council tested at that time, because it's a newly licensed vehicle.
5) The old car would then cease to be a taxi.
6) When old car is fixed, then all the above will need to be repeated.
7) But if the old fixed car is now older than the council minimum age, then it wont get re-licensed. :sad:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:46 pm 
Sussex wrote:
Now that would be the simple thing to do, and in case of PHs, you just license it as a PH. :D

But for HC it's different, and in my area they don't allow replacement taxis. Well they would, but by the time all the paper-work was sorted, the old car would be fixed.

What would have to happen down here is;
1) You would have to transfer the vehicle license of the damaged car to the replacement car.
2) The new car would have to be in the name of the plate holder of the damaged car, not the owners of the replacement car.
3) The new car would have to be insured by the plate holder of the damaged car, not the owners of the replacement car.
4) The new car would have to be council tested at that time, because it's a newly licensed vehicle.
5) The old car would then cease to be a taxi.
6) When old car is fixed, then all the above will need to be repeated.
7) But if the old fixed car is now older than the council minimum age, then it wont get re-licensed. :sad:



Have a look at this.

http://www.basildonmeetings.info/ieList ... 2004&Ver=4

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:49 pm 
Sussex wrote:
Now that would be the simple thing to do, and in case of PHs, you just license it as a PH. :D

But for HC it's different, and in my area they don't allow replacement taxis. Well they would, but by the time all the paper-work was sorted, the old car would be fixed.

What would have to happen down here is;
1) You would have to transfer the vehicle license of the damaged car to the replacement car.
2) The new car would have to be in the name of the plate holder of the damaged car, not the owners of the replacement car.
3) The new car would have to be insured by the plate holder of the damaged car, not the owners of the replacement car.
4) The new car would have to be council tested at that time, because it's a newly licensed vehicle.
5) The old car would then cease to be a taxi.
6) When old car is fixed, then all the above will need to be repeated.
7) But if the old fixed car is now older than the council minimum age, then it wont get re-licensed. :sad:


And these.

http://www.basildonmeetings.info/Publis ... ocA.ps.pdf

http://www.basildonmeetings.info/ieList ... 2004&Ver=4

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JD


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2004 9:59 pm 
John Davies wrote:


I forgot this one.

http://www.basildonmeetings.info/Publis ... ocA.ps.pdf


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 1:43 am 
Councils are doing this more and more, current price Sussex is the licence fee, not premium which is not recognised by councils.

its a way of keeping taxi numbers up.

they cant use the licence of the smashed vehicle, as a licence and vehicle has to be in the same ownership.

but keep kicking up the fuss, the condition is that it is only used as a substitute vehicle.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:32 am 
Surely if you restrict then you restrict.
I think the replacement cars are great, but why should a insurance compnay get a plate but drivers dont?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 3:21 pm 
Perhaps drivers should ask their LA if they can keep a spare car in a quotated area.

On the principle in Basildon there should be no objection, provided safeguards are in place to prevent abuse - ie using two cars at once.

But no driver can afford to keep a spare car just in case, esecially when it has to have a coloured bonnet or whatever.

The scheme in Basildon effectively lets individuals share the cost of keeping a vehicle in reserve, which makes it financially vialbe.

I'm surprised you didn't know that Cgull :D


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 5:48 pm 
Sussex wrote:
I think I'm even starting to confuse myself now. :x

In the reports the council say they are issuing both PH and taxi plates at the current price. Now PH is simple, but if they restrict taxi plates, how can they issue any, at any price?

Take your area, I bet you don't have replacement licensed taxis at hand. Because if there were any spare, then they would be out working, or sold for £50,000+.


As I read it there are only two replacement vehicles available. If a Hackney carriage is off the road they put the appropriate coloured bonnet on the vehicle. The Hackney carriage plate of the original H/C vehicle is held at the office of the insurance company until such time the vehicle is put back on the road. At all times there is the same number of vehicles plying for hire.

Thats my take it on. I can't see anywhere in the minutes of the licensing meetings that sugest otherwise.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2004 7:11 pm 
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I agree that the number of vehicles working will never exceed the quota limit, but the number of vehicles licensed will.

Basically it's another tier of taxi, one that can only be licensed for a maximum of 21 days. I have read the acts many times, and never come across that bugger. :sad:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 3:40 am 
Cgull wrote:
Surely if you restrict then you restrict.
I think the replacement cars are great, but why should a insurance compnay get a plate but drivers dont?


here they are not insurance companies that have the scheme, but your mates in the no win no fee racket.

you wanna get in on it Sussex you will own a plate then, er well sort of.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 7:20 pm 
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As clear as mud. :sad:

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:06 pm 
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Cgull wrote:
Surely if you restrict then you restrict.
I think the replacement cars are great, but why should a insurance compnay get a plate but drivers dont?


here they are not insurance companies that have the scheme, but your mates in the no win no fee racket.

you wanna get in on it Sussex you will own a plate then, er well sort of.



Well that's cleared that up then!


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