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Smoked glass, need I remind you that earlier this week you were quite prepared to go to another local authority for a hc license to work elsewhere because the conditions of getting a license were more relaxed?

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Simply isn't the rank space for extra Smokey, you can't exclude foreign ppl just for the sake of it, i agree they need looking at, and that's what is about to happen where they will be crb'd from their country of origin soon, how fool proof that will be I dunno but it's a start, the whole de-reg thing is unworkable because a Hackey in the true sense of the work is a vehicle that serves the public on the steet, a PHC serves them on a deffo pre arrangement.

If it became say all HC and there was no PH anymore, before long someone would think, hey I've an idea why don't I get ppl to call me for a lift and the cycle begins again, only one person benefits from de-reg and that's those that own an office because it's a certainty once there's too many cabs they will have to ask for a radio, so in effect you create a cartel by doing this, the only way you can become a HC o/d and be profitable is if you go to a regulated area and stump up for a plate, the dream is no office subs and no shifts, in a de-reg world niether exist.

Yes of course, but don’t you think If I could get a HC in Chester or Flintshire I would of done by now. They are regulated by the local conditions, WAVs only! If councils took my advice I wouldn't be able to get a HC in another district unless I learnt the local area road system.
I wouldn’t have to though would I if the two councils mentioned were more reasonable with there choice of vehicles. I stand by my statement.
You say more relaxed, I say reasonable. Its the choice of a word. If your council has WAV's and is restricting the plates, I say your living in a bubble. To you its seems normal but to other ppl its seems unfair. I think I should be able to get a license in my own disrtict without a WAV. I dont agree with your assessment that Flintshire are more regulated just different. Chester has a knowledge test but as I have just finished there its not a problem. The main problem every council is different with their own set of rules.
You my friend may be ok with your council with the type of vehicle and local conditions and good luck to you. My local council is already dereg but I dont want a WAV. I dont see the point in driving around with 2 ppl in a van all the time and a extra 50% fuel bill. It may be ok for you but not for me.

Why not? I accept for the moment that EU member country citizens can come here freely and work, but there is no law against stopping non EU citizens. Are you implying that anyone from anywhere should be able to freely come to the UK and drive a Taxi?



Were do you think PH vehicles drive around; they serve the public on the street as well. It’s a weak argument not to De-reg. Again I maintain that the licenses should be restricted! The vehicles cant drive themselves around on their own yet so there would be less drivers, all full timers, well trained and committed professionals. Not like some of the twin jobbers out there who just top up there wages at your expense. They are the real enemy.

Yes my friend....but admittedly its one that would suit you that you would prefer

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So where's the evidence, or is this just another taxi rank myth?

Some of the worst 'clampdown' stories on here have been from restricted areas.

And what about the oft-quoted Blackpool? £40,000 plates and £400 motors

If someone is £40k in hock to buy a plate how does that help them buy/maintain a decent motor?

So there are no independents in unrestricted areas, Doomser?

Bullocks, I worked the ranks in St Andrews for years before the area was restricted and there were plenty like me.

No cartels either, plenty of new circuits started in those years, some stay, but I can't recall many folding, so unless the laws of economics/competition in your manor are different then I don't recognise the scenario you're painting.

Oh, and over 100 HC in St Andrews, but zero PH. Has worked well like this for decades as far as I know, and certainly in the last ten years.

Dundee had zero PH at one point and 800 taxis I think, so one-tier isn't a blueprint, it's the real world.

Well try 238 HC and 900 PH before you spout at me, 400 of whom seem to think their plate is white instead of red, add in the moving of a perfectly placed rank that became a drop zone, aka PH pirate rank and perhaps you can understand why I am how I am, oh, and if the rest of eastern europe migrates here it'll be 1500 PHC before long, all made possible by those barons you all so hate, cos immigrants can't get finance can they.

Well you have made my point for me. Eastern immigrants! Restrict the licenses not the plates and they would never get a license would they...unless they knew Dundee like the back of there hand and could speaka de perfecta English and pass a CRB check. They shouldn’t be entertained because the criminal Justice system in their own country does not keep a similar data base for criminals, as we do in the UK. It is obvious to everyone that because we do not know anything about the said persons we should NOT give them the benefit of the doubt and not give them a license.

And you honestly think that would remain workable, let me tell you how it will pan out

LO - Sorry but you aren't up to standard

Imm - But I want I want!

LO - I'm sorry as I've said 30 times already you don't qualify

Imm - I go see solicitor

LO - That's your choice

Imm - It's my human right to have a license, I want I want!

Solic - Yes Mr Popalopski I can help

LO - Open mail, gets told case is going ahead

LO - Bottle goes cos they can't risk public money

Licence issued.


And it's happening anyway, our conditions were FULL UK DL for 1 year, resident for 1 year and the ability to speak English and know the area, as we have an Indian who can't speak a word of English on the rank I'd say he either isn't licensed or they've turned a blind eye, the sad thing is the cab game is a dumping ground for the Government, they aren't interested if the guy was a General in some army, or if he soddamised kids before coming here, they have one priority with them and thats to get them off benefits, you should see our high street during the day, there is every tongue spoken other than English, it's like an occupation, now I like a bit of something different, but I don't need a flood of them, so I have to conclude even if the correct rules were in place and administered properly you would still find ppl loopholing it.

Mr Doom, You are correct but I was saying what should happen, not what is happing. The councils are frightened of litigation and it’s all the Governments fault.
Would I be correct in saying that because restricting the licenses is not working, you would advocate the restriction of Plates?
This would not work as the ppl we are talking about would simply get a PH license instead.

I dont see how a standard could be defined as a restriction.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

But thats the reality mate, in theory you are correct, but the theory would never be able to flourish all the time the human greed seed and back slappers had a place in the chain, it's like communism tbh, if that had ever had the chance to work as intended it would be the fair way for all, as you know it only worked that way for the poor ppl, the Captalist commy in effect ruined it because he wanted more all the time, right now the only protection is to hang on to what you already have, better the devil you know.

I agree, a standard can be achieved no matter how high it's set. However a restriction can never be surpassed.

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Surely if you keep ppl out by standards (not that I'm against this btw, the paying public don't need tripe when they asked for lamb) it does in effect become a restriction, although probably not in the fullest definition of the word, but I think you'll get my meaning.