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So why the does our council deny these facts, can anyone help or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Looking forward to your responces..

Anyway, now to find a mug :lol:

So does that mean get all the cabs converted from saloon to WAV, thus stopping the council from issuing new plates..?

Hi,

So does that mean get all the cabs converted from saloon to WAV, thus stopping the council from issuing new plates..?

I thought the surrvey which was done between local council and government was the bee all and end all?

You know the one where Wakefield was highlighted in red.

....?

Sussex.......... what do you not understand about percentages..... if the Ministry for Transport states that a local council has to have 50 per cent wheelchair accessible vehicles..... then that is what they will have to have. but unfortunately it then leaves a loophole, which I am sure will be argued in court that the other 50 per cent should be saloon vehicles..... as the wording stands at the moment..... so the balance will continue to change.

MR T wrote:

Yes I know that.

The advice I was giving, which I hope no-one takes, is for them to go 100% WAV and the 161 provisions wont apply.

However if the 160 provisions are enacted, then the 163 provisions will take over the 161 provisions. :wink:

MR T wrote:

Yes, but if folks wish to follow your no, and we end up with no restricting councils other than those with 100% WAVs, then don't say I didn't tell you. [-X

Well it would seem it's all as clear as mud.

Our drivers will never go to WAV unless forced and the last time we took the council on a few members sold out because they where on the new plate list.

Seems to be da ja vou all over again.

i think i'll sell up and move on...

Works dead as it is.

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MR T wrote:

Yes, but if folks wish to follow your no, and we end up with no restricting councils other than those with 100% WAVs, then don't say I didn't tell you. [-X

Author:	blackcabman [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 1:26 pm ]
Post subject:	NEW WAV's to be or not to be?
Hi, Guys and Girls, My local council has denied all knowledge of the "2010 direcremination act" and said to me on the phone it was here say. what I know:- 1) Passed by the Queen last year 2) Went through Parliment in Jan-Feb 2010 3) Became law in April 2010 4) To be implemented Autum 2010, Our coucil is Wakefield and came in the red zone, the survey sujests we will have 21 WAV(weelchair accessable vechiles) plates issued in the city. So why the does our council deny these facts, can anyone help or have I got the wrong end of the stick? Looking forward to your responces..

Author:	Sussex [ Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: NEW WAV's to be o not to be?
blackcabman wrote: So why the does our council deny these facts, can anyone help or have I got the wrong end of the stick? Looking forward to your responces.. Maybe if you had mentioned the taxi provisions in the 2010 Equalities Act, that might have registered. Basically if your council has a lower % of WAVs to saloons, than a % set by the Transport Minister (following a soon to be published consultation), they will not be able to refuse to license a WAV until such times they do reach that %. A quick calculation of your manor indicates to me it could mean an extra 50 WAV plates being issued if the gov say the % should be 50%.

Author:	blackcabman [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:18 pm ]
Post subject:	What to do then?
Hi, Thanks for your responce. From all the information gathered it would seem our industry, and especially for me - the one in wakefield is already in serious trouble, and this spells the end. Prices are high at the moment and I think the thing for me to do is sell and if by some wonder the plates are not issued i'll just buy back next year. Drivers as majority in Wakefield seem very oblivious to whats coming, seems like a sleepy city before a masive tidle wave, and everyone you tealk to about it just laughs in your face and says "it e'ell never appen". Anyway, now to find a mug . \cu.

Author:	Sussex [ Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: What to do then?
blackcabman wrote: Anyway, now to find a mug . Shouldn't be too hard to find. But why don't you get your local trade organised and get the council to go 100% WAV. Then no extra plates need be issued.

Author:	blackcabman [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:41 pm ]
Post subject:	What 100% WAV...
Hi, So does that mean get all the cabs converted from saloon to WAV, thus stopping the council from issuing new plates..? I thought the surrvey which was done between local council and government was the bee all and end all? You know the one where Wakefield was highlighted in red. ....?

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Author:	toots [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:48 pm ]
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Quote: So does that mean get all the cabs converted from saloon to WAV, thus stopping the council from issuing new plates..? In theory, yes. In practice I suppose that depends on what they do if challenged by somebody who has a WAV to plate

Author:	Sussex [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: What 100% WAV...
blackcabman wrote: Hi, So does that mean get all the cabs converted from saloon to WAV, thus stopping the council from issuing new plates..? I thought the surrvey which was done between local council and government was the bee all and end all? You know the one where Wakefield was highlighted in red. ....? The survey has nothing to do with gov, it's a collection of stats gained by TDO via FoI requests. It's TDO's admin that have colour coded it in the way TDO's thinks the gov will go. And they might be wrong. However to get around any percentage that the gov do come up with, my advice to anyone working in a non 100% taxi WAV manor is for them to aim for it quite quickly. Or delimit when the % provision wont apply. Alas other provisions might.

Author:	MR T [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:23 pm ]
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Sussex.......... what do you not understand about percentages..... if the Ministry for Transport states that a local council has to have 50 per cent wheelchair accessible vehicles..... then that is what they will have to have. but unfortunately it then leaves a loophole, which I am sure will be argued in court that the other 50 per cent should be saloon vehicles..... as the wording stands at the moment..... so the balance will continue to change.

Author:	Sussex [ Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:26 pm ]
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MR T wrote: Sussex.......... what do you not understand about percentages..... if the Ministry for Transport states that a local council has to have 50 per cent wheelchair accessible vehicles..... then that is what they will have to have. but unfortunately it then leaves a loophole, which I am sure will be argued in court that the other 50 per cent should be saloon vehicles..... as the wording stands at the moment..... so the balance will continue to change. Yes I know that. The advice I was giving, which I hope no-one takes, is for them to go 100% WAV and the 161 provisions wont apply. However if the 160 provisions are enacted, then the 163 provisions will take over the 161 provisions.

Author:	MR T [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:45 am ]
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Sussex wrote: MR T wrote: Sussex.......... what do you not understand about percentages..... if the Ministry for Transport states that a local council has to have 50 per cent wheelchair accessible vehicles..... then that is what they will have to have. but unfortunately it then leaves a loophole, which I am sure will be argued in court that the other 50 per cent should be saloon vehicles..... as the wording stands at the moment..... so the balance will continue to change. Yes I know that. The advice I was giving, which I hope no-one takes, is for them to go 100% WAV and the 161 provisions wont apply. However if the 160 provisions are enacted, then the 163 provisions will take over the 161 provisions. No

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:00 am ]
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MR T wrote: No Yes, but if folks wish to follow your no, and we end up with no restricting councils other than those with 100% WAVs, then don't say I didn't tell you.

Author:	toots [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:22 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: MR T wrote: No Yes, but if folks wish to follow your no, and we end up with no restricting councils other than those with 100% WAVs, then don't say I didn't tell you. I don't fully understand all this yet cos I haven't read all of it yet, but, I don't see how a council can refuse if somebody wants to licence a WAV thus making it only possible to restrict non WAV's, which would only apply in areas that have saloon vehicle taxis

Author:	blackcabman [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:11 pm ]
Post subject:	I get it now.
Well it would seem it's all as clear as mud. Our drivers will never go to WAV unless forced and the last time we took the council on a few members sold out because they where on the new plate list. Seems to be da ja vou all over again. i think i'll sell up and move on... Works dead as it is.

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:25 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: I get it now.
blackcabman wrote: Well it would seem it's all as clear as mud. Our drivers will never go to WAV unless forced and the last time we took the council on a few members sold out because they where on the new plate list. Seems to be da ja vou all over again. i think i'll sell up and move on... Works dead as it is. The best advice I can offer you is if your LA is 100% WAV and has restricted numbers it will remain so. If your LA is restricted and has a percentage of WAV's and a percentage of saloon Hackney Carriages, the percentage of saloons licensed will determine if your LA has to issue additional plates for WAV's only. The percentage will be announced in due course, but people suspect it will work out at about 1/3rd saloon to 2/3rds WAV. I hope this is of use. regards CC

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Author:	MR T [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:42 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: MR T wrote: No Yes, but if folks wish to follow your no, and we end up with no restricting councils other than those with 100% WAVs, then don't say I didn't tell you. I only work on what is written now.. if's.. but's.. and maybes... do not apply.......point me in the direction of were it says that any district that has a 100 per cent wheelchair accessible fleet will be excluded from the law of the land... which this will become... the point I'm making... is that all associations and unions should be looking extremely carefully as to how this is worded when introduced....... for instance... if it says. that all councils must have a minimum of X per cent wheelchair accessible vehicles.. I would be extremely worried.... it's all in the wording...... and it must be right.....