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Author:  juls [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:36 am ]
Post subject:  HACKNEY/PH trying to split/limit
OK.. where to start on this one.
We have a new licencing officer. A women. "OH MY GOD" I here you all cry.
Thing is unlike the last who was a complete plonker she does try and earn her salary.
It started at a prevoius hack meeting where by someone opened a can of worms that has been brought up in the past and but the previous officer did nothing to find out or imply.
We are looking at ways down here of limiting the hacks but the council wont fund a survey. so for a starter we want them to be forced to limit themselves.
More and more are taking the hack test because some idiot at highways decided to make one street hack only 24 hour access along with busses. It is a major short cut especially in the summer when traffic is at a stand still (sea side town)

Question. As a ph you have set fares. As a hack your on the meter. The meter rates down here are noramally more as ph firms are in the centre of the town. But what about the local cross town fare. (i know you guys wont know the destinations but) Meter fare from hospital to coranation £2.60 to £3.20 ph fare is£4.20 get the point. it is my understanding that if you are a hack even if you have been given the job buy a ph company. when the punter sits in the care the meter must go on and it is illegal to charge more that what the meter says.?

If this is correct and somone can verify it 100% it would be fantastic. They hacks working p/h are not about to leave the firms because they wont make a living. It took me a long long while to build up enough to survive bot doing ph as it has will all the other independent hacks in our town.

Also can the council ban hackneys on p/h firms your either one or the other. You can have a dual badge but you car must be plated either hackney for ranks or p/h if you are going to work a firm.
Unless of course the firm is 100% hack who would run meters and charge meter rates

We are banging our heads down here and this has REALLY caused a stick with the ph firms and need all info I can gather intime for the next meeting so any input on legallitys would be fantastic.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Juls
Author:  smiffyz (geoff) [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:36 am ]
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Our licence condition say the same regarding the meter in Hac's, but our PH fares are dearer than Hac's so it's the opposite, so they just put the meter on but charge from the tarriff sheet.
Also our badge is for Hac/PH combined.
If they refuse to limit Hac's you cant (and wouldnt get away with) doing it yourselves.
Author:  Sussex [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: HACKNEY/PH trying to split/limit
juls wrote:
it is my understanding that if you are a hack even if you have been given the job buy a ph company. when the punter sits in the care the meter must go on and it is illegal to charge more that what the meter says.?

In most, if not all, cases the meter must go on, but the driver can discount if they wish.

Of course they is nothing stopping you asking your council to do away with the whole fixed council tariff, then you can charge as little or as much as you like.
Author:  Sussex [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: HACKNEY/PH trying to split/limit
juls wrote:
Also can the council ban hackneys on p/h firms your either one or the other. You can have a dual badge but you car must be plated either hackney for ranks or p/h if you are going to work a firm.

No.
Author:  JD [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: HACKNEY/PH trying to split/limit
juls wrote:


Also can the council ban hackneys on p/h firms.


No is the simple answer.

Regards

JD
Author:  juls [ Wed May 30, 2007 7:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Thanks for that. how about this.
If you have a hackney firm that takes on private hires. (A firm who advertises themselves by picture and words that they are a TAXI firm.
Am I correct in saying that the p/h they have taken on must run at the hackney rate by having a meter fitted and using it.

Cheers

Juls
Author:  Sussex [ Wed May 30, 2007 11:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Thanks for that. how about this.
juls wrote:
Am I correct in saying that the p/h they have taken on must run at the hackney rate by having a meter fitted and using it.

No.

Then the council would be setting a rate for PH.
Author:  meltingsmoke [ Wed May 30, 2007 11:50 pm ]
Post subject: 
down my way all the firms have hacks and ph's.
but the strange thing is that one or two of them, the ph's can charge a meter and half for carry more than 4 person in there cars ie 5 / 6/ 7 /8 people ,
but the hacks cannot charge that, only whats on the tarif ,working on the same firm
Author:  GA [ Thu May 31, 2007 1:03 am ]
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HC can charge less than the council prescribed tarriff, but no more.

PH can charge whatever they want, in some areas they must inform the council of their rate.

A HC working through a PH operation can still charge no more than the prescribed tariff.

A PH cannot work from a HC only office without the office owner holding a PH operators licence.

A HC from Gateshead can work under a PH operators licence anywhere in England and Wales, but still cannot charge more than Gateshead prescribed tariff.

B. Lucky :D
Author:  badger [ Thu May 31, 2007 4:53 am ]
Post subject: 
GA wrote:
HC can charge less than the council prescribed tarriff, but no more.

PH can charge whatever they want, in some areas they must inform the council of their rate.

A HC working through a PH operation can still charge no more than the prescribed tariff.

A PH cannot work from a HC only office without the office owner holding a PH operators licence.

A HC from Gateshead can work under a PH operators licence anywhere in England and Wales, but still cannot charge more than Gateshead prescribed tariff.

B. Lucky :D
That has just confirmed what i was about to say for the laws governing the area here.
Author:  TDO [ Thu May 31, 2007 2:50 pm ]
Post subject: 
GA wrote:
A HC from Gateshead can work under a PH operators licence anywhere in England and Wales, but still cannot charge more than Gateshead prescribed tariff.



Are you sure about the tariff point?

Also, does the HC need to work under a PH ops licence?
Author:  badger [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:39 am ]
Post subject: 
GA wrote:

A HC from Gateshead can work under a PH operators licence anywhere in England and Wales, but still cannot charge more than Gateshead prescribed tariff.
The bit that i am unsure about is..............If a H/C works an office in another borough,does he have to return to his own borough if he does not receive another fare through the office :?:
Author:  TDO [ Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:44 am ]
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Don't think so - a Newcastle HC could work off the radio in Exeter, as long as it sticks to the radio.
Author:  juls [ Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:44 pm ]
Post subject: 
TDO wrote:
Don't think so - a Newcastle HC could work off the radio in Exeter, as long as it sticks to the radio.


Does anyone now any more about this and where I can find some more info. IE our neighbouring town that is out of my district has siad no to this. Yes I do hold a HC in north somerset.

So your saying that I can work in bristol on a ph firm from the radio only without approaching bristol council.???

Would love to see that in black and white

Cheers
Author:  JD [ Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:49 pm ]
Post subject: 
juls wrote:
Does anyone now any more about this and where I can find some more info. IE our neighbouring town that is out of my district has siad no to this. Yes I do hold a HC in north somerset.

So your saying that I can work in bristol on a ph firm from the radio only without approaching bristol council.???

Would love to see that in black and white

Cheers


If you have your own licensed hackney carriage you can work any radio circuit in England and Wales. See Gladen v Brentwood on this site.

Regards

JD
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