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It only works.... if you have licensing officers/ enforcement officers... out on the streets...

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It only works.... if you have licensing officers/ enforcement officers... out on the streets...

I suppose you're right, but then that's stating the bleeding obvious!!

It's no good employing an LEO just to stand at the side of a Scalextic set trying to nick those cars for plying for hire!!

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It is common practice... for Liverpool licensing officers... to stand 25 yards away from the Sefton boundary( on the Liverpool side) and flag down Sefton Hackney's as they are coming back into the Sefton boundary, one or two of them.... will justify them being out that night....but where.. they where ...for the other seven hours is anybody's guess......

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But the main bone of contention isn't PH plying out of area, but PH waiting out of area.

Having LOs with many hats ain't going to address that.


Thats maybe a scouse problem and not one we have here.......nor one that anyone actually complains about out of scouseland.

Should the whole country suffer for scouseland?

I'm not too sure.

I like MrT......he's a pain in the ar*e at times, but a nice guy who very often keeps my own feet on the ground.

But he tells us about this system, which is obviously sensible, but also doesnt actually work or isnt enforced in Merseyside.

If it was, why the hell did UNITE go to that silly committee, with stupid MP's in illfitting suits?

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MR T wrote:
It is common practice... for Liverpool licensing officers... to stand 25 yards away from the Sefton boundary( on the Liverpool side) and flag down Sefton Hackney's as they are coming back into the Sefton boundary, one or two of them.... will justify them being out that night....but where.. they where ...for the other seven hours is anybody's guess......

There were 24 licensed vehicles done for illegal plying for hire in Brum last Friday night alone.

Five LEOs on 'Woodings Patrol' in less than three hours FFS!!!

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If it was, why the hell did UNITE go to that silly committee, with stupid MP's in illfitting suits?

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Yeah, I noticed their clobber was a bit Michael Foot like!!

Must all go to the Michael Foot Unite Menswear shop.

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If it was, why the hell did UNITE go to that silly committee, with stupid MP's in illfitting suits?

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Perhaps they couldn't find an intelligent committee of MP's with decent tailors? :lol:

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So to summarise:

Brummie's problem is about enforcement, which wasn't really the Trans Comm's primary concern?

The Trans Comm's primary concern was the flag of convenience issue, ie Berwick, Sefton, Milton Keynes, Mansfield etc which affects both HC and PH, and would require a change in the law to rectify?

And on a related note, while the judge in the Berwick case suggested that Berwick could change their own rules to stop Berwick-licensed HCs operating elsewhere, would it be correct to say that the Fidler case suggests that what the judge in the Bertwick case proposed would be deemed illegal if challenged?

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If it was, why the hell did UNITE go to that silly committee, with stupid MP's in illfitting suits?



Stating the obvious, but presumably Unite's gripe was on behalf of the Liverpool HC trade, but without thinking through the possible ramifications, which you clearly don't like, and presumably they wouldn't either. But, to clarify, the ramifications are.....?

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
They would be acting within their own LA, tackling PH standing & plying out of area within the LEOs area & the LEO would have the same powers as if he was the trangressor's LEO.

If a non-local cab/PH is parked up in a side street minding their own business then a LO can't do nothing about it at present, even in Merseyside who's LOs share the enforcement burden.

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Should the whole country suffer for scouseland?

I'm not too sure.

Well I'm not convinced it is only souseland.

Defo happens down here in a number of licenseing areas. Happens in Milton Keynes, and a number of more places in the Midlands.

However that's only in relation to PH, with taxis it happens all over the country.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
It is common practice... for Liverpool licensing officers... to stand 25 yards away from the Sefton boundary( on the Liverpool side) and flag down Sefton Hackney's as they are coming back into the Sefton boundary, one or two of them.... will justify them being out that night....but where.. they where ...for the other seven hours is anybody's guess......

There were 24 licensed vehicles done for illegal plying for hire in Brum last Friday night alone.

Five LEOs on 'Woodings Patrol' in less than three hours FFS!!!

I might well be wrong... but I seem to think it has taken a great many years for your licensing officers to actually get off their backsides and do something..... the fact that they are... would suggest to me... that some of the dead wood has been replaced....

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Sussex wrote:
But the main bone of contention isn't PH plying out of area, but PH waiting out of area.

Having LOs with many hats ain't going to address that.


Thats maybe a scouse problem and not one we have here.......nor one that anyone actually complains about out of scouseland.

Should the whole country suffer for scouseland?

I'm not too sure.

I like MrT......he's a pain in the ar*e at times, but a nice guy who very often keeps my own feet on the ground.

But he tells us about this system, which is obviously sensible, but also doesnt actually work or isnt enforced in Merseyside.

If it was, why the hell did UNITE go to that silly committee, with stupid MP's in illfitting suits?

CC
I wasn't actually telling everybody about the system... as in( preaching its praises) more like... it already exists.... no more..

Does it have benefits.. for the council yes... they can hold an operation at Liverpool Airport using offices from all five areas.... inspecting vehicles and issuing rectification notices... and more....... I would suggest that licensing officers being licence by orther council's main benefit is to keep vehicles in a roadworthy condition...

Apart from this. does it mean.. they get more prosecutions... I would think not.... most prosecutions... in Sefton... our done by way of test purchases... which usually involves people who are not working in the licensing section... independent witnesses to some degree..

From past experience the disadvantage.... is that licensing officers to make their life easy within their own district and yet still justifying them keeping their job... have a tendency to leave their own vehicles alone.. and pick on vehicles from outside their district.

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MR T wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
MR T wrote:
It is common practice... for Liverpool licensing officers... to stand 25 yards away from the Sefton boundary( on the Liverpool side) and flag down Sefton Hackney's as they are coming back into the Sefton boundary, one or two of them.... will justify them being out that night....but where.. they where ...for the other seven hours is anybody's guess......

There were 24 licensed vehicles done for illegal plying for hire in Brum last Friday night alone.

Five LEOs on 'Woodings Patrol' in less than three hours FFS!!!

I might well be wrong... but I seem to think it has taken a great many years for your licensing officers to actually get off their backsides and do something..... the fact that they are... would suggest to me... that some of the dead wood has been replaced....

No it hasn't; the trade asked for LEOs to work night-shifts, something they had not thought about before.

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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
Stating the obvious, but presumably Unite's gripe was on behalf of the Liverpool HC trade, but without thinking through the possible ramifications, which you clearly don't like, and presumably they wouldn't either. But, to clarify, the ramifications are.....?


Oh well I'll answer my own question then.

I thought the T&G's Cab Trade News had gone the same way as the Militant newspaper, but lo and behold it's even online now :shock:

Found this one, headlined UNITE WINS SELECT COMMITTEE ENQUIRY, with the Liverpool HC section of Unite photographed with the committee chairma-er,-person.

Who'd have thunk it.

Wasn't too impressed by the text though. It says: "UNITE argues that private hire should be subject to the same laws that govern the UK taxi industry, that being; Private hire should only be able to take a booking from within their own licensing area."

Thus clearly some things never change. :roll:

Didn't bother reading beyond that.

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