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You didn't start by asking about fare scales you started by saying that after reading the information you thought that most limos couldn't work to this system. If you can't work out how it is done, that is where you have a problem. If you are a manager of 200 staff, why do you want to go into limos anyway?

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Grandad,

I don't get it. Surely this piece of legislation is aimed at Coach Companies who use small buses to ferry passengers to pick-up points.

(Where the vehicle is being so provided or made available in the course of a business of carrying passengers by motor vehicles all but a small part of which involves the operation of large buses)

And of course lets not forget the Traffic Commission issue 'O' Licences and their enforcement is non-existent.

Indeed it was, but the Manchester Airport lark has made a mockery of that.

Basically the legislation allows anything with a motor to be licensed as a PSV.

And if it seats less than 9 punters then it doesn't even need a PSV driver to drive it.

But things will change.

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IDFIMH

Of that there is no-doubt.

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IDFIMH

Sorry Sussex, with a Standard Licence (you can have whatever vehicle you want)you make sure you do not operate journeys of less than 15 miles or you get dragged into local bus service regs. eg if your local airport is 20 miles away = no probs.
It has been said that the 15 miles might be said to be the passengers overall journey, therefore if airport is just 5 miles away but the passenger is then catching a plane "the journey" is more than 15 miles, but this has not been tested in court ----- yet.

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

Not sure where you get your info from but in the last six months we have had 5 random spot checks on vehicles and about a dozen or so tacho checks at various locations throughout the UK and a visit to our office to check on Tacho records. All checks I am pleased to say where found to be in order as is our 100% first time test pass rate.

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ok, so guys im sorry to go on, but i have no idea about licenceing etc so im going by you on here, so if i get a vosa licence, i can only do runs over 15miles in distance, and must charge individual fares. If i get a local council licence, there is no such requierments and can basically do anything. i thank you all again for your help

and in answer to earlier question, i love being a manager but i have always wanted to do this and my family also want to do it. This is why decided to give it a go, and am try my best to find out everything i can to be legal and safe etc. and this is why i ask so many questions, and i really do thank you all for you help and understanding

Andy

Instead of asking all the questions about limos on a taxi forum why don't you go to www.theela.com download the application form and send it off. When your membership is confirmed you will be able to ask the legislation team all the question that you want and then you will know everything. The cost of membership is £60. Money well spent if you ask me.

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Grandad,

Maybe my grammer wasn't that clear. What I meant was that if you use small PSVs, then they come under the 15 mile rule.

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IDFIMH

I've been present at two spot checks and the failure rate is about 50/50.

But I've yet to see any court action.

In fact one local mush, who takes very large liberties to say the least, openly brags that VOSA wouldn't ever take him to court.

Thankfully the local council is.

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IDFIMH

Send him up to Birch services on the M62 ,
the local VOSA are RED HOT
But they do at least treat everybody like S***

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Public Passenger vehicles act 1981 c14.

13 Classification of licences

(1) A PSV operator's licence may be either a standard licence or a restricted licence.

(2) A standard licence authorises the use of any description of public service vehicle and may authorise use either—

(a) on both national and international operations; or

(b) on national operations only.

(3) A restricted licence authorises the use (whether on national or international operations) of—

(a) public service vehicles not adapted to carry more than eight passengers; and

(b) public service vehicles not adapted to carry more than sixteen passengers when used—

(i) otherwise than in the course of a business of carrying passengers; or

(ii) by a person whose main occupation is not the operation of public service vehicles adapted to carry more than eight passengers.

(4) For the purposes of subsection (3)(b)(i) above, a vehicle used for carrying passengers by a local or public authority shall not be regarded as used in the course of a business of carrying passengers unless it is used by the public service vehicle undertaking of that authority.

NOTES
Derivation

This section derived from the Transport Act 1980, s 20.

14 Grant of licences

(1) An application for a standard licence shall not be granted unless the traffic [commissioner] [is] satisfied that the applicant meets the following requirements, namely—

(a) the requirement to be of good repute;

(b) the requirement to be of appropriate financial standing; and

(c) the requirement as to professional competence;

and an application for a restricted licence shall not be granted unless the traffic [commissioner] [is] satisfied that the applicant meets the requirements to be of good repute and of appropriate financial standing.

(2) The provisions of Schedule 3 to this Act shall have effect for supplementing the provisions of subsection (1) above, and for modifying the operation of that subsection in the case of persons engaged in road passenger transport before 1st January 1978.

(3) Notwithstanding that it appears to the traffic [commissioner] on an application for a standard or restricted licence that the requirements mentioned in subsection (1) above are met, the application shall not be granted unless the [commissioner] [is] further satisfied—

(a) that there will be adequate facilities or arrangements for maintaining in a fit and serviceable condition the vehicles proposed to be used under the licence; and

(b) that there will be adequate arrangements for securing compliance with the requirement of the law relating to the driving and operation of those vehicles.

[(3A) In considering on an application for a PSV operator's licence whether the requirements mentioned in subsection (3) above are satisfied, the traffic commissioner may take into account any undertakings given by the applicant (or procured by him to be given) for the purposes of the application and may assume that those undertakings will be fulfilled.]

(4) If on an application for a PSV operator's licence the traffic [commissioner] [determines] that the relevant requirements mentioned in subsection (1) above and the further requirements mentioned in subsection (3) above are satisfied [he] shall, subject to [section 16] of this Act, grant the licence in accordance with the application.

[(5) In any case where the traffic commissioner grants an application for a PSV operator's licence, any undertakings taken into account by him under subsection (3A) above that he considers to be material to the granting of the application shall be recorded in the licence issued to the applicant.]

NOTES
Derivation

This section derived from the Transport Act 1980, s 21(1)–(4).
Initial Commencement
To be appointed

To be appointed: see s 89(2).
Appointment

Appointment: 30 October 1981: see SI 1981/1387, art 2.
Amendment

Sub-ss (1), (3): words in square brackets substituted by the Transport Act 1985, s 3, Sch 2, Part II.
Sub-ss (3A), (5): inserted by the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994, s 59(2), (3).
Sub-s (4): first, second and third words in square brackets substituted by the Transport Act 1985, s 3, Sch 2, Part II; final words in square brackets substituted by the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994, s 68, Sch 14, para 2.
Modification

Modification: sub-s (1) modified in its application to persons in partnership by the Operation of Public Service Vehicles (Partnership) Regulations 1986, SI 1986/1628.
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[14A Objections to application for PSV operator's licence]

[(1) Where an application is made for the grant of a PSV operator's licence under this Act, any chief officer of police or local authority may object to the grant of the licence on the ground that one or more of the requirements mentioned in section 14(1) and (3) of this Act are not satisfied in relation to the application.

(2) An objection under this section shall be made within the prescribed time and in the prescribed manner and shall contain particulars of the ground on which it is made.

[(2A) Where the traffic commissioner considers there to be exceptional circumstances that justify his doing so, he may direct that an objection be treated for the purposes of this Part of this Act as duly made under this section, notwithstanding that it was not made within the prescribed time or in the prescribed manner.]

(3) . . .

(4) In this section “local authority” means—

(a) in England and Wales, the council of a county, district or London borough or the Common Council of the City of London or a Passenger Transport Executive; and

(b) in Scotland, a [council constituted under section 2 of the Local Government etc (Scotland) Act 1994].

(5) This section does not apply in relation to any application for a special licence (within the meaning of section 12 of the Transport Act 1985).]

NOTES
Amendment

Inserted by the Transport Act 1985, s 25.
Sub-s (2A): inserted by the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994, s 60.
Sub-s (3): repealed by the Deregulation and Contracting Out Act 1994, ss 68, 81, Sch 14, para 3, Sch 17.
Sub-s (4): words in square brackets substituted by the Local Government etc (Scotland) Act 1994, s 180(1), Sch 13, para 121(3).
Subordinate Legislation

Public Service Vehicles (Operators' Licences) Regulations 1995, SI 1995/2908 (made under sub-s (2)).
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15 Duration of licences

(1) There shall be specified in every PSV operator's licence the date on which the licence is to come into force . . .

[(2) Subject to its revocation or other termination under any provision of this Act or another statutory provision, a PSV operator's licence shall continue in force indefinitely.

(3) If the holder of a PSV operator's licence requests the traffic commissioner by whom it was granted to terminate it at any time, the commissioner shall, subject to subsection (4) below, comply with the request.

(4) The traffic commissioner may refuse to comply with the request if he is considering taking action in respect of the licence under section 17(1) or (2) of this Act.]

NOTES
Derivation

This section derived from the Transport Act 1980, s 21(5)–8.
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