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You still believe MP,s control the country

Sorry i dont mean to be rude but Mr Sussex you really must pay more attention.

Mp,s vote on motions and in that respect do have a small amount of influence BUT if a particular motion is refused the petitioner simply attachs a re-worded motion (same thing as before but worded slightly differently) to something that will pass (for example the farce about fox hunting, simply attach a clause to the countryside act which allows fox hunting provided a falcon or some bird is carried on the hunt).

You see the goverment are more than happy to vote out something which will cost them money and has no political or financial reimbersment but if the motion will bring a new revenue then it almost certainly will get through one way or another providing it can be proved the instruments of the motion present no danger to the public (hence the reason we are having to prove that limousines conform to or match construction and use regs).

Nothing stops them John it never has and never will, the self drive hire industry is MASSIVE, way bigger than the taxi or limo industry, it brings in HUGE revenues for the goverment much more than the other 2 and anything else repectively, to take on them would be futile but i wish you luck.

Fellas please dont be under the illusion us limos guys are all duckers and divers , on the face of things it would grantedly look that way but we are trying our hardest to become a legitimate industry fully licensed and fully crb,d. We are a relatively new industry and as all new industries we have to fight for some sort of correct legislation , which will come simply because of the revenue we generate.No system for any limos 8 or over is correct at the moment but hopefully this will correct itself in the near future.

Ive no doubt that these petty arguments will procede between us until the day things change one way or another, it just seems sometimes that some of you and us argue for the sake of it.

The one main difference between the limo self drive hire and normal minbus hire is the INSURANCE companies.

There are 2 which insure 16 seater limos and thats all and both have very tight controls over who drives (DCL actually had meetings with goverment legal depts over their policy to make sure that everything was legal and drivers would be fully conversant with the vehicles).

Any tom, dick or harry can hire a minbus and do the same thing without any kind of checks for suitability to drive the vehicle ,its always been that way for minbuses and always will be.

The agencies that supply 16 seater limo drivers do do thorough checks on the drivers, minibus hire companies dont!

So we try our best , to you it looks like we are forcing ppl to use known agency drivers for our own means but in actual fact due to the lack of proper legislation for the industry we are actually doing our best to protect the public.

No facts ,newspaper articles or anything else show anywhere that it does,nt work!

So you're saying a rapist can legally hire a minibus then offer his services to the public?



But there's no legal requirement for any checks on drivers, so in theory anyone could be driving a limo under the self-drive scheme?

If the taxi trade was left unregulated then some would do stringent checks on drivers, but the point is that some wouldn't thus that's one rationale for taxi regulation.



But they do show that lots of limos were operating illegally before the self-drive scam was concocted? Sorry, I should have said scheme, not scam

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Anyway, Mr S6 Conversion specialist, if the limo trade is self-regulating so responsibly, why are you pressing for new legislation, and why does the DfT think it's necessary?

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The self drive hire industry is indeed massive but those persons wishing to carry 9 - 16 passengers for hire or reward in the past have had no problem whatsoever licensing vehicles for that purpose. Therefore the need to find a solution to operate outside the law has never before been an issue.

As far as I'm concerned and I have stated this on many occasions, there is a need to find a licensing system that caters for limousines.

Limousines do not take custom away from the Taxi trade, the operational methods are completely different. However unlicensed hire or reward is something that the taxi trade has never countenanced and the long list of court cases dating back to the 19th century will tell you this. Therefore the reaction to schedule six from the taxi trade should have been expected. I hate to think how others who have a far greater influence than I or this website will react when they finally wake up and realise the long term consequences of the activity that is taking place?

When I finally get around to setting out my stall you will be left in no doubt as to why I believe the activity is illegal.

Regards

JD

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Have you read and fully understood any of the limo posts TDO ?????

No disrespect but that question has been answered many times .

The limo industry has to self regulate to a point BECAUSE there is no correct legislation that fits us at the moment.

Thats what we,re working on at present with the authorities!

Well at least we agree on something

My position on limo legislation has remained consistent and so has my stand on the illegal practice of "hire or reward", however in your case that still has to be tested in the courts?

Regards

JD

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Some of them, but not yours



You may think it's been answered...



So that makes the self-drive scheme a scam then? At least we agree on something.



So what's wrong with the self-drive scheme then?

I thought you kept on saying it was all hunky dory.

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Not my case John as i dont operate limousines, i simply convert them to meet schedule 6 and 7 of the 1986 Construction and use act. This brings these vehicles upto miniubus standard and ensures that all relevant safety standards are met.

Infact one of our conversions was actually stripped down and reassembled by VOSA to check for conformity and passed with flying colours as all our conversions do.

Maybe some on here would prefer the vehicles to just be left as they are from the USA.

I doubt anyone on here has recently tried to register a vehicle from the states but if it does,nt meet the regs EXACTLY then you dont get it registered.

Theres a hell of a lot of work goes into these vehicles and when finished are much safer than a standard transit etc minibus!

TDO, i think your just trying to wind me up ?

I never said the self drive scheme was perfect ,however it is legal.

We need legislation that applies to our industry.

Its like me saying

"well ,why do you need HC and PH surely one will do"?

"why have 2 sets of rules for one trade ???"

"why not just have 1 rule and let everyone pick up from the side of the street"?????

No one is discrediting the work undertaken on bringing limos into line with the construction and use act in respect of minibus status. The only thing being questioned is the lawfull activity under the self drive ethos?

Perhaps if you concentrate on the legalities surrounding the activity and stop assuming that the whole world is against the limo industry then we might get somewhere?

Regards

JD

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Why though John?

It has been to court many times and if the system is operated correctly ie; chauffeur not supplied with the vehicle and hired separately by the customer from a legitimate agency then no laws are broken.

There are without doubt ops outhere who think they can get away without adhereing to the law , they will get what they deserve, 16 seater limos are very distinctive and difficult to hide so it wont take long to catch them.

Well perhaps you could answer the questions I put to you earlier about rapists?

Would you agree that a rapist could be legally driving a limo under the self-drive contrivance?





So you'd agree that it breaches the spirit of the law then, if not the letter?

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TDO.. shouldn't you be saying convicted rapist

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