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I thought she would if she was a card carrying labour party member....anyway I thought all the unions got a vote too because they contribute towards funding the labour party.

My point is that no-one got a chance to vote for the PM of this country, not even himself.

Which leads me back to the point, re: the 1976 act review, just cos no-one around the table voted for it doesn't mean we wont get it. :roll:


I take it politics is not one of your specialities, at a election you vote for the party. the party votes for the leader...

Simple answer,,, if you want a vote join a union or national Association...... unless you already are..... then why are you moaning ??

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I take it politics is not one of your specialities, at a election you vote for the party. the party votes for the leader.


Here's me thinking that under our first past the post system you voted for candidates? Whats the point of having candidates if you vote for a party?

Our electoral system doesn't cater for parties, therefore parties are not eligible to register. The only persons eligible to register are candidates.

Party leaders are elected by party members and no one else and whatsmore these leaders present themselves for election to office of prime minister and the public then vote accordingly. Mr Brown did not present himself to the electorate as prime minister therefore he has no mandate from the electorate to run this country.

Your understanding of the electoral process is misguided and flawed but we have become accustomed to many of your flawed attributes.

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It looks like the Labour Party don't understand the system as well.. when a general election comes around I was always under the impression that you voted for the party policies and what they represent to you
one thing's for certain the General every day person does not get a vote for the leader. that is definitely a in-house job... whichever way you try to dress it up.
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Your understanding of the electoral process is misguided and flawed but we have become accustomed to many of your flawed attributes.

You mean in the same way we have become accustomed to your tantrums and bizarre accusations ..... who said any of us were perfect...

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It looks like the Labour Party don't understand the system as well.. when a general election comes around I was always under the impression that you voted for the party. one thing's for certain the General every day person does not get a vote for the leader. that is definitely a in-house job... whichever way you try to dress it up.


If we had a system of PR you might vote for a party in combination with a named candidate or perhaps a list of candidates depending on which system of PR was in force?

I think you owe Sussex an apology because he was right in what he said and you were wrong in what you said.

If ever our electoral system changes to choosing parties over candidates then you will be at liberty to take the view that you do but until that time is upon us the electorate officially vote for candidates.

The reality of the situation is, that regardless of the merits of the individual candidates, most people do actually vote on party lines but in electoral law, parties are not classed as candidates.

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The masses vote for the party and when you ask them why.....it is usually because their dad did.. :wink:

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It looks like the Labour Party don't understand the system as well.


That wouldn't surprise me in the least but I suspect they do know that they can't submit a party as a candidate.

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when a general election comes around I was always under the impression that you voted for the party policies and what they represent to you


I suppose this comment shows how misguided you are at the voting habits of the electorate. There are numerous reasons why people vote and many are not associated with any particular policy or policies.

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one thing's for certain the General every day person does not get a vote for the leader. that is definitely a in-house job... whichever way you try to dress it up.


But the electorate does get to vote on who they want as prime minister and I'm afraid Mr Brown has not yet offered himself up to the electorate for their blessing.

I suggest we need an electoral system that stipulates a fixed term, like the USA and other countries. That way there can be no manipulation of the system.

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I suggest we need an electoral system that stipulates a fixed term, like the USA and other countries. That way there can be no manipulation of the system.



Governments start something... then the next government changes it... and start again... they never see anything through, the hundreds of billions of Pounds that have been waste makes me sick....... and not only that when you go into the members' bar, the drinks are very cheap...... but must be purchased by a MP.. so if you get a round in you have to give your money to the MP to pay........... you never get any change......

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Brown has chickened out of calling for an election as he knows he will have to get the tax on fuel cut to win and he is a bit like bush wont go until he is shoved and he has waited a long time to have a go at being a pm


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Is it now the suggestion of the witch-hunters that the electoral system and all of its shortcomings are the fault of those who attend the "meeting of minds".

B. Lucky :D

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Is it now the suggestion of the witch-hunters that the electoral system and all of its shortcomings are the fault of those who attend the "meeting of minds".

B. Lucky :D


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As a matter of interest, what else was discussed at these meetings?

Just the issues on the agendas would suffice. :wink:

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The masses vote for the party and when you ask them why.....it is usually because their dad did.. :wink:


Considering Labour was elected on 25% of the potential National vote I don't think they have much of a mandate from the electorate do you?

If 75% of the electorate chose not to vote for Labour what kind of mandate does both Brown and the Labour Government have?

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The masses vote for the party and when you ask them why.....it is usually because their dad did.. :wink:


Considering Labour was elected on 25% of the potential National vote I don't think they have much of a mandate from the electorate do you?

If 75% of the electorate chose not to vote for Labour what kind of mandate does both Brown and the Labour Government have?

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A working majority of around 69 votes

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As a matter of interest, what else was discussed at these meetings?

Just the issues on the agendas would suffice. :wink:


Thats a very good question but I wouldn't hold my breath for it to be answered?

Before I conclude my appraisal of these events I'm going to write to each of the organisations involved and ask them exactly what it is they are trying to achieve and why? Because all we have at the moment is a document proposing changes and no reasons why.

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The masses vote for the party and when you ask them why.....it is usually because their dad did.. :wink:


Considering Labour was elected on 25% of the potential National vote I don't think they have much of a mandate from the electorate do you?

If 75% of the electorate chose not to vote for Labour what kind of mandate does both Brown and the Labour Government have?

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A working majority of around 69 votes

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