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I dont think were disagreeing that 'if' driver hours were to be implemented they wouldnt have an impact, I think were disagreeing on this bit of legislation.

Personally, I think I agree with gusmac, I'd rather err on the side of caution and give a possibly useless case as to why a HC driver should be exempt. Even if you are proved to be right and we aint included anyway, for the price of a stamp?

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I dont think were disagreeing that 'if' driver hours were to be implemented they wouldnt have an impact, I think were disagreeing on this bit of legislation.

Personally, I think I agree with gusmac, I'd rather err on the side of caution and give a possibly useless case as to why a HC driver should be exempt. Even if you are proved to be right and we aint included anyway, for the price of a stamp?

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Im off to bed...........I just hope to hell I dont dream about bloody driving or the EU will those bloody hours off me too....... :roll:


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Mr Conyon made the point that if hours were restricted people would only work at busy times. This would leave a situation where it may be difficult to obtain taxis at other times.

But if most drivers only worked the busy times then the quiet times would also become busy. :?

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Mr Conyon made the point that if hours were restricted people would only work at busy times. This would leave a situation where it may be difficult to obtain taxis at other times.

But if most drivers only worked the busy times then the quiet times would also become busy. :?


Don't you mean that instead of 10 cabs sitting doing nothing all day, there will be just 2 cabs sitting doing nothing all day. :wink:

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Mr Conyon made the point that if hours were restricted people would only work at busy times. This would leave a situation where it may be difficult to obtain taxis at other times.

But if most drivers only worked the busy times then the quiet times would also become busy. :?


It would just Mean that those that cannot get Taxis during the quiet times would start to use the Buses that would happily plug the gap..thats because they are subsidised and it matters not if they run full or empty and as an Added bonus the government can gloat over how successful their Public transport scheme has become.

Nope..sadly no winners Taxi or PH will ever come from Restricted hours only more Drivers chasing less and less work at the busy time, if they do that we are all pretty well resigned to lower incomes from our ever more expensive Vehicles.


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This needs to be looked at in conjunction with the Government's proposals about wheelchair accessible vehicles... each proposal makes the other unrealistic.

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Don't you mean that instead of 10 cabs sitting doing nothing all day, there will be just 2 cabs sitting doing nothing all day. :wink:

So are you saying that, if we go by your example, if the day time number of cabs is reduced by 80%, then the 20% left will earn no-more? :?

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It would just Mean that those that cannot get Taxis during the quiet times would start to use the Buses that would happily plug the gap.

So now, if we use your example, both days and nights will be so busy we actually start losing trade.

Well I would much rather be in a position where we are too busy to meet demand than a position of over supply. :?

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It would just Mean that those that cannot get Taxis during the quiet times would start to use the Buses that would happily plug the gap.

So now, if we use your example, both days and nights will be so busy we actually start losing trade.

Well I would much rather be in a position where we are too busy to meet demand than a position of over supply. :?


Id rather be in the position where we can all make a reasonable living without Having to work every hour of the day to do so...Im not greedy just realistic..


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Id rather be in the position where we can all make a reasonable living without Having to work every hour of the day to do so...Im not greedy just realistic..


Isn't that the position you are in right now?

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Well I would much rather be in a position where we are too busy to meet demand than a position of over supply.


If it continued consistantly that taxis were too busy to meet demand people would eventually stop using taxis and look for alternatives. They may make enough fuss for councils to provide late night buses, trains etc which is not what taxis need. They already have allocated drivers now instead of using taxis at busy weekends. Staying home is becoming more and more popular. With everything you want or need being delivered and no good reason to actually go the pub, staying home with friends is the new going out

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Don't you mean that instead of 10 cabs sitting doing nothing all day, there will be just 2 cabs sitting doing nothing all day. :wink:

So are you saying that, if we go by your example, if the day time number of cabs is reduced by 80%, then the 20% left will earn no-more? :?


I am going by what I see in my town. The main rank usually has the same 6 cars on it all day. They probably get no more than 1-2 jobs a day from the rank each. Yet they still sit there day after day after day. The only times they move is when they get a phone call or decide to try the station instead. The station rank can have several cars sitting there any time from a quarter to the hour but there are only 2 trains every hour, one from each way, and they both arrive at half past the hour and maybe one or two punters may want a taxi, more often than not there will be no one wanting a taxi at all. It is the same at night. Last night at 10.00 pm I counted 8 taxis waiting at the usual pick up point and I would bet that most of them had been sat there for over an hour without even the sniff of a job.

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I am going by what I see in my town. The main rank usually has the same 6 cars on it all day. They probably get no more than 1-2 jobs a day from the rank each. Yet they still sit there day after day after day.

The suggestion made previously was that drivers would only work the busy times.

If that was the case and, say, half the drivers changed to nights, then your scenario above would mean 3 cars doing 3-4 jobs an hour from that rank.

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Id rather be in the position where we can all make a reasonable living without Having to work every hour of the day to do so...Im not greedy just realistic..


Isn't that the position you are in right now?


not really...still have to work more hours than I want to to earn a decent wage..not sure i could make a decent wage on 48 hours...unless everyone of those hours went towards driving time..

Another problem that the EU directive doesnt address is the fact that a Lot of Taxi and PH work is seasonal...this time of year I and many others like me put in a lot less than the 48 hours they talk about, but in order to boost my yearly income I have to put in double the hours a week to take advantage of that extra seasonal work because If I cannot make that extra money in the same way as a Hibernating animal needs to store up fat for the long cold winter ahead, then during the Lean winter months where no tourists, walkers, anglers or shooting types pass my way..If cant work extra seasonal hours then that would make me consider whether the Jobs worth doing or not. Same would go for Farmers etc....as they say Make hay whilst the sun shines..this directive would kill that Ideal stone dead. One size doesnt fit all and I think that If I want to work more hours within reason I should be allowed to...who the hell are these Unelected Euro cretins to come along and tell me, you or anybody what to do...

At the end of the Day does the Eu prefer thousands more Signing on as unemployed simply because they cannot make as much as their Lifestyle demands...that very same lifestyle that was created by the fact that they could earn a decent living with a bit of Extra work and effort, this led them to become acustomed to a Lifestyle that they could comfortably afford. take that away and they will end up losing homes , businesses and cause family break ups.

europes problem is that most EU states never had the same work ethic as the hard working british, they adapted to bigger basic wages having never worked anything like the hours we do here and depend upon here, so these euro states will suffer far less than us in the UK.

I hear loads about an Equal EU and that in fairness we should all have the right to work no more than 48, I might warm to the Idea more if I honestly thought that their was real Euro Equality in areas such as Wages and Pensions....If they Give me German Wages, German Pensions and the German retirement age...all of which are a Bl**dy sight better than ours then Id Embrace the EU Ideal more freely.

Sadly they expect us to endure The Cr*P Directives but never give us anything decent in return for that Compliance. they look upon us here as obedient Saps...now that really P*sses me off, We are British and we should be damn well in control of our own destiny.


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Sussex wrote:
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I am going by what I see in my town. The main rank usually has the same 6 cars on it all day. They probably get no more than 1-2 jobs a day from the rank each. Yet they still sit there day after day after day.

The suggestion made previously was that drivers would only work the busy times.

If that was the case and, say, half the drivers changed to nights, then your scenario above would mean 3 cars doing 3-4 jobs an hour from that rank.


How do you work out that the drivers would get 3-4 jobs per hour when there are only 6-12 jobs PER DAY from the rank. :roll: And at the moment, with the exception of one of the drivers, they all work evenings and and until the early hours of Saturday and Sunday morning.

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