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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:03 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
The WAV debate will not go away,until all vehicles are wheelchair
accessible.
This is not what I or others in the trade want,but disability steering
groups.
These groups also want dial-a ride(another name for free transport).
In the Dundee area grants were given out to the few people that were
running these vehicles,over the past few years,but since the waiting
list has been scrapped to allow more vehicles,WAVS,to come on this
grant has now ceased.
The grant was given to help with the dead mileage scenario,that at times
was horrific.
I reckon that Dundee has in the region of 200 people that are wheelchair
bound and cannot transfer into saloon type taxis,and therefore require
WAVS.

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The taxi trade is the cheapest and easiest option for the government and councils. They come up with these regulations and conditions which they do not have to pay for, enforce them on a group that has very little power to resist and then shout from the rooftops look what we have done for the disabled! Its all window dressing. We are at the bottom of the food chain, mere minows in the business and political world.
You have only to read the posts and comments from the likes of "sussex" to realise why this trade is in the dulldrums, low self esteem, no ambition, racked with jealousy and bitterness, his tag line says it all "not long now, but perhaps a little longer", completely negative always waiting for someone else to do something or something to change to improve his lot.
There are so many like him in this trade always ready to do colleagues down or at the back of the mob egging others on but never willing to do anything themselves. The taxi trade is the backwater of the jobs market, all life's crap ends up here sooner or later, fortunatly there are some who see the potential and have the expertise to build profitable successful businesses, they should be encouraged. They are unlikely to have time for forums etc. and even less enclined to pass on the benefits of their knowledge to the whinging whinning masses.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:44 pm 
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Geoff,

Obviously I have nothing better to do than make up stories about what is happening up here.

Maybe our recent change of LO is an indication that a lot of the Licensing Departments "shortcomings" have been identified.

Changes in policies are now inevitable, and we intend to make sure that the needs of the drivers recieves proper consideration.

B. Lucky


Excelent but dont hold your breath, less taxis, salloons instead of WAVs is surely likely to be those shortcommings?

Mick, a councils policies reflect the shortcomings of the trade.
its as bad as you said because of you and your colleagues, a new L.O wont change that much?


Dream on Dream on


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:15 pm 
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Here's one to extend the debate.

A number of WAV drivers, in Gateshead (and I expect elsewhere) have exemption from carrying wheelchairs on medical grounds.

When it was suggested that these peoples licenses to drive WAV's should be suspended until they are fit enough to fully undertake their duties, the disabled lobby group stated that such action would be in contravention of the DDA as they would have been suspended because of their disability.


Clearly most of the lads that licensed WAVs in your manor did so because they had no option but to license WAVs. I'm quite sure that they would prefer to have licensed saloons.

However if they cannot manage wheel-chair customers, and can get a doctors certificate to confirm that, then that's in the act and acceptable.

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The WAV debate will not go away,until all vehicles are wheelchair accessible.

Quite right it will not go away, and in this PC world of ours, we hold very few cards.

Take the situation at Stratford. There the council said a few years ago that they want more WAVs available. The existing trade didn't change. Thus they are now de-limiting on the basis of WAVs only.

A lot of fore-thought there. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:39 pm 
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The WAV debate will not go away,until all vehicles are wheelchair accessible.

Quite right it will not go away, and in this PC world of ours, we hold very few cards.

Take the situation at Stratford. There the council said a few years ago that they want more WAVs available. The existing trade didn't change. Thus they are now de-limiting on the basis of WAVs only.

A lot of fore-thought there. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


So the disabled of Stratford get a bunch of drivers that really don't want to take them. Why are you so smug about it ? Why do you even comment you don't operate a WAV or even a Hackney Plate, do you just come on here to gloat, find a PH forum and whine on that !
Sussex: Oh dear none exist; oh well I will leech onto a taxi forum like I leech onto their trade.


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So the disabled of Stratford get a bunch of drivers that really don't want to take them. Why are you so smug about it ? Why do you even comment you don't operate a WAV or even a Hackney Plate, do you just come on here to gloat, find a PH forum and whine on that !
Sussex: Oh dear none exist; oh well I will leech onto a taxi forum like I leech onto their trade.


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You have only to read the posts and comments from the likes of "sussex" to realise why this trade is in the dulldrums, low self esteem, no ambition, racked with jealousy and bitterness, his tag line says it all "not long now, but perhaps a little longer", completely negative always waiting for someone else to do something or something to change to improve his lot.

I must give you nightmares.

However you are wrong big-time about me not doing something about the current situation, but right in saying that I'm waiting for my lot to be improved. That's along with the other tens of thousands of licensed drivers that are discriminated against.

Not long now. :wink: :wink: :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:17 pm 
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You have only to read the posts and comments from the likes of "sussex" to realise why this trade is in the dulldrums, low self esteem, no ambition, racked with jealousy and bitterness, his tag line says it all "not long now, but perhaps a little longer", completely negative always waiting for someone else to do something or something to change to improve his lot.

I must give you nightmares.

However you are wrong big-time about me not doing something about the current situation, but right in saying that I'm waiting for my lot to be improved. That's along with the other tens of thousands of licensed drivers that are discriminated against.

Not long now. :wink: :wink: :wink:


It what way are you discriminated against, what oportunities have you been denied that I have benefited from ?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:44 pm 
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Anonymous wrote:
You have only to read the posts and comments from the likes of "sussex" to realise why this trade is in the dulldrums, low self esteem, no ambition, racked with jealousy and bitterness, his tag line says it all "not long now, but perhaps a little longer", completely negative always waiting for someone else to do something or something to change to improve his lot.

I must give you nightmares.



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Nightmares, you have a very inflated concept of you own importance.
Your are like dog-mess, we go thro life avoiding it but every so often we step in some. We clean our shoes and move on.
I mean no offence I am sure you are a very kind turd, but a turd no less.


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It what way are you discriminated against, what oportunities have you been denied that I have benefited from ?


Well I'm not quite sure which Mr Guest you are, so I will give the I part of your question a miss.

But I'm discriminated against by not being able to pick up customers from the streets by a 150 year old law that was in-acted for horses. Despite the fact that I have to adhere to exactly the same vehicle standards, and exactly the same driver's standards.

But not for much longer me thinks. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Nightmares, you have a very inflated concept of you own importance.
Your are like dog-mess, we go thro life avoiding it but every so often we step in some. We clean our shoes and move on.
I mean no offence I am sure you are a very kind turd, but a turd no less.


Oh dear Mr Guest, it appears you have fallen into the trap of debating the pros and cons of the poster, as opposed to the pros and cons of the issue at hand.

As often happens when a debate is lost. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:38 pm 
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It what way are you discriminated against, what oportunities have you been denied that I have benefited from ?


Well I'm not quite sure which Mr Guest you are, so I will give the I part of your question a miss.

But I'm discriminated against by not being able to pick up customers from the streets by a 150 year old law that was in-acted for horses. Despite the fact that I have to adhere to exactly the same vehicle standards, and exactly the same driver's standards.

But not for much longer me thinks. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


That is not discrimination, it is your choice PH or Hackney. No-one is stopping you buying a HC, anyone with the money can get one, that is economics not discrimination. And no the requirements are not the same, a PH does not have to adhere to a tariff, it is not a controlled fare vehicle, it is not covered by the DDA. These differences may be insignificant to you but there is a difference between PH and Hackney and you can choose which you wish to operate there is no discrimination, it is a total mis-use of the word.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:58 pm 
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Nightmares, you have a very inflated concept of you own importance.
Your are like dog-mess, we go thro life avoiding it but every so often we step in some. We clean our shoes and move on.
I mean no offence I am sure you are a very kind turd, but a turd no less.


Oh dear Mr Guest, it appears you have fallen into the trap of debating the pros and cons of the poster, as opposed to the pros and cons of the issue at hand.

As often happens when a debate is lost. :wink:


I have not fallen into any trap nor have I lost a debate. You have only confirmed your arogance and inabillity to countenace any opinion other than your own. You are prevented from achieving anything by your failure to progress your thinking past your initial assuptions. Your frustration and disapointment is so obvious. If you do not change you will end up a bitter and poor man with only missed oportunities to look back on. My reference to dog-mess was only meant to be lighthearted, I opologise, it clearly hurt you and I did not intend that.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:12 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
It what way are you discriminated against, what oportunities have you been denied that I have benefited from ?



But I'm discriminated against by not being able to pick up customers from the streets by a 150 year old law that was in-acted for horses. Despite the fact that I have to adhere to exactly the same vehicle standards, and exactly the same driver's standards.


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The law maybe 150 years old, but that does not make it a bad law or a wrong law. Taxis date back to Roman times, passsengers were charged for carriage depending on the distance covered, the principle of the taxi-meter is as old as organised civilisation. Why should something with that much history and tradition be destroyed because "sussex" can't afford a plate. The "give me, give me" culture is destroying this country. Try working for what you want, nobody owes you a living.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:12 am 
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it is not a controlled fare vehicle, it is not covered by the DDA.


Which part of the DDA applies to taxis and not PH at present?


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