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So are you saying that anyone who doesn't want to join yours, CC'c mob or something similar should have no say? In effect the minority rule and the rest can just bogoff?

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No I'm saying "if you don't like any of the unions or associations then form your own".

It is everyones right to express an opinion on everything that the groups do ................ but if you want them to do something differently then surely you should expect to have to join.

Mr Flanagan was right "DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THOSE THAT TURN UP".

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Regards.

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The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.

Educate, constipate and sleep in late I know....
The bloke is actually an on-line Jehovah witness...ramming the bloody thing down your throat !
When actually there is a NATIONAL "National Taxi Association" that seems to be more beneficial to our needs without the....wait for it....its coming...here it is.....Educate !!!!!!!! Constipate !!!!!! go to bed late.....

You are really joking arnt you ? Tell me you are ! Or say it out loud...
GMB is the one for me.....hahahahahaha......hehehehehehehehehe....oh forgive me I have pi*sed my pants.....
give your self a shake Mick !
Well I can only say see you on thursday....I might of stopped laughing by then..

Steve

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Hi Sussex, I've only just picked up on this thread and wanted to clarify a point in relation to Delta Liverpool and Delta Sefton...

Our entire operation can be reduced to one simple objective... on completion of a hiring a driver's next booking should be as quick and as close as possible. The less time he's empty the lower the fares and the greater the potential for coaxing passengers away from buses, trains and their own private car. If Delta had a Sefton office AND a Liverpool office then bookings received by one office could not be distributed to drivers registered with the other office. Fine if you're 1847 legislation hackneys but not if you're 1976 legislation private hire.

Davey Liver fell foul of this when they were caught accepting bookings at their Liverpool office before passing the jobs on to their Sefton branch (Circle) to distribute to Sefton licensed private hire cars. This was not permitted so they had to A) run two mutually exclusive and less efficient fleets or B) re-license the smaller fleet of drivers and cars to join the bigger fleet. Liverpool licensing authorities made special dispensation in organising group sittings of the knowledge test for the smaller portion of Sefton Circle drivers so they could join the bigger portion of Liverpool Davey Liver drivers.

If instead of building one £3Million control centre in Sefton Delta had built two £1.5Million control centres in Sefton and Liverpool, then drivers licensed for one office would have to drive past work booked through the other office. There would also be two sets of overheads. We couldn't maintain the service or the fares and would lose millions of passengers back to other transport solutions, such as the Liverpool hackney carriages.

The legal amendment current sought by Liverpool City Council was probably no accident. It's more likely to be a very shrewd and carefully thought out attempt at gaining commercial advantage through political channels.

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Don't knock it, 'til you try it....

My point was simply that if you do not make the effort to join a group, or form your own, then you should not expect them to form their policies after consulting with you (as a non-member).

Its a bit like expecting to win the lotto without buying a ticket

B. Lucky

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"Here's a simple solution. If you don't want to pay more for a premium service then wait in the queue, problem solved".
Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Dear Mr Taxis,

The GMB PDB is a National representative body of H/C owners/drivers, P/H owners/drivers and Taxi Office Staff.

The GMB PDB aim to recruit from all area’s of our trade and empower as many as possible to have an input into their trade. At Local, Regional and National levels the GMB PDB will support members with both full time Officers and local activists.

The GMB PDB does not discriminate against any trade member regardless of what area of the trade they work in. The GMB PDB will use its political connections for the benefit of its members.

I have met the Secretary of the NTA and found him to be a professional person. However, the NTA are what they are, an association, of association’s, of which its members are predominately Hackney proprietors. I therefore believe that the NTA will be biased in its appraisal of the trade. As we have seen recently, it’s attendance at meetings which excluded National representatives from the GMB does not indicate that the NTA wish to openly discuss National trade policies with all representatives, only the chosen few.

I fervently believe that the GMB PDB is the vehicle which has the resources to help all people working in our trade, regardless of their chosen area of work; I also believe that the benefits that are available to members cannot be surpassed by any other H/C – P/H trade organization.

You’re mocking comment of Mr Flanagan the GMB PDB Branch Secretary only confirms the impact Terry has had since he became involved in our trade a few years ago. His style is extreme, and I also do not agree with everything he says. However, his commitment to helping GMB PDB members cannot be surpassed and the amount of his own time he gives is also appreciated.

Finally, in a trade of apathy, perhaps Mr Flanagan will Educate all that they can have a say in their trade, that they can also have a say on a political level with the authorities in both local and national arena’s.

Decisions are made by those that turn up; perhaps that is why only the selected few are invited.

Regards
BB

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Mick Hildreth (07814 032002)
GMB PDB P39 Southern Region Branch Secretary
mick.hildreth@gmbtaxis.org.uk
www.gmbpdb.org.uk

And it has no chance of success IMO.

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Dear Steve,

It would appear that as I have questioned your post, which mocked a GMB member, you believe that I am trying to undermine you. That would be of no benifit to you or me. I simply gave you my personal opinion of the impact the GMB PDB Branch Secretary has had on the trade to counter act your comment.

I do believe, in this country of free speech, our individual right to challenge people on issues we disagree on. When we do disagree we should be able to debate said issue and when ended, leave it there.

The GMB PDB Branch Secretary is extreme, he will tell you exactly how he feels on an issue, you, me and anyone else may not like it, but when the debate is over, he leaves the debate on the key board.

I am also of the opinion that a mans worth must be fully examined before being condemed. Therefore my opinion, because of my knowledge of the GMB Branch Secretary will be far different to yours.

You are also genralizing that every GMB member who posts on a taxi forum is the GMB, we are individual members with individual opinions.

The GMB PDB has many members, having different personalties, to say we are all tarred with the same brush is a tad unfair.

THe GMB PDB will always support the policies its members wish, voted for in a domocratic way.

The GMB PDB is always looking for members, I sincerley believe that any person working in our trade should have a say on how it's run. I would always recommend the GMB PDB (Surprise Surprise), for its ability to help trade members organise and negotiate working conditions. I would also say always join a National trade representative body.

The GMB PDB is open to members of our trade regardess of the chosen area of work.

Regards
BB

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Mick Hildreth (07814 032002)
GMB PDB P39 Southern Region Branch Secretary
mick.hildreth@gmbtaxis.org.uk
www.gmbpdb.org.uk

Its about time the GMB PDB had some sort of delegated structure both Regionally and Nationally but the problem that exists is the vastly differing views of many in the p/h and hackney carriage trades. For as long as restrictions remain you will always have that divide and this is something I've articulated on many occasions as holding back progress in the taxi trade. History tells us that under present legislation it is nigh on impossible to square the circle of p/h and h/c interests.

BB suggests Mr Flanagan has been an asset to the p/h trade but I suspect he mainly refers to London when he makes that comment? One thing is certain, from the comments of many on TDO who have met him he hasn't projected himself as being one of the more endearing representatives of the Taxi trade?

It's not my style to pass judgment on such matters but I think the London taxi trade and the provincial taxi trade are completely separate entities and a voice of reason and good judgment within the provinces is sorely needed. The GMB needs a higher profile that can perhaps rid itself of the continued reference to persons in London who might be controversial for all the wrong reasons?

The meeting of minds exercise is a way of trying to implement legislative change by the back door by recruiting known individuals who are like minded in wanting a specific change to an item of legislation that they personally do not like. In this case you had what I have often referred to as the Liverpool connection because practically every representative of the hackney carriage trade had some sort of connection with Liverpool or Merseyside through various association?

I think people are losing sight of what NALEO represents and if anyone thinks they are a friend of the Taxi driver then please convince me how they draw that conclusion?

This meeting of minds exercise is designed to take away existing rights of both sides of the coin and it is no wonder that the ONLY item of change these guys can come up with is stopping hackney carriage and private hire drivers from parking up in an area other than their own while waiting for a radio job. NALEO also want to give themselves powers to book you if they think you are breaking that law. They also want to stop you accepting a booking while on the move in another area and to top it all they want hackney carriage drivers to have private hire operator licenses which restrict them to only taking bookings from the premises to which the license refers.

There are other adverse proposals relating to taxi drivers which are too numerous to mention but I've mentioned several of them recently.

In my opinion before this motley crew of so called representatives sat down together they should have exchanged correspondence highlighting exactly what it is they think needs changing and WHY? Only if common ground was evident should they have sat down with Naleo and they should only have considered what is in the interest of the TAXI driver?

In this case it would appear that common ground only existed in what they see as inherent problems with Sefton Private hire ranking up in Liverpool and with one particular council in the North East who just happened to have a number of persons from other areas applying for hackney carriage licenses in order to work private hire in another authority.

I think there are real issues out there that are far more important to the taxi driver than the self interests of some in Liverpool who wish to try and effect change by taking away the rights of existing cab drivers.

Taxi driver organisations should represent taxi drivers and no one else, I do not believe that the taxi trade needs the help of NALEO to affect change for the good of Taxi drivers, if all taxi organisations spoke with one voice on the issues that matter.

Regards

JD

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And it has no chance of success IMO. [/quote]

Dont under estimate the mind :
. The mind was instrumental in both the national debate and the political lobbying to stop the Government implementing the recommendations contained within the OFT report into the taxi industry in 2004. This report recommended the total de-restriction of Hackney Carriage Proprietors licences nationwide. In response to this, the Mind prepared and presented a report to the Transport Select Committee, “The Myth of Derestriction” which was successful in helping to stop the OFT’s recommendations being implemented.

The Mind almost singlehandedly, stopped the OfT recommendations . I personally thought : Myth of destruction:was a pile of trash. However it worked .
The Mind should not be ignored .
If i was a Hack, on the other end of a Taxicall phone. Or a PH working another area . I would be frightened very frightened .

You have been warned !streetcars

Funny you should say that, I heard someone else say the same thing this week.

And there was me thinking it was the T&G that killed OFT.

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