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Author:  cabbyman [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:17 pm ]
Post subject:  First Aid kits
I was informed today that it is a legal requirement for taxis to carry a First Aid kit. When challenged, my informant was unable to quote the statute that imposes this duty. I've had a look round various sites but to no avail.

Can anyone help in his defence?
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: First Aid kits
cabbyman wrote:
I was informed today that it is a legal requirement for taxis to carry a First Aid kit. When challenged, my informant was unable to quote the statute that imposes this duty. I've had a look round various sites but to no avail.

Can anyone help in his defence?

It falls under the 'Council can do what they f***ing well want' section of the 1976 Miss Act.

That said, many council who use to have that condition now don't, as should non qualified first aiders be offering first aid? :?
Author:  cabbyman [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:35 pm ]
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Our council do NOT include it in conditions. It was implied that our council are in the wrong. But, if it is statute law, they don't need to include it because it's already there!

This is where I'm requiring proof of the statement that it is a 'legal requirement' to carry a first aid kit.

By the way, I don't have any problem with carrying a kit, per se, in fact, I carry one. The problem is that I want the fleet to be sorted out with other matters before we start on items which will cost the drivers money for the kit and training. I think we are on the verge of making 'contracts under duress.' on the basis of a misrepresentation. I need to be sure of my facts before I leap!!

Any help that can be offered will be most gratefully received.
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:38 pm ]
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cabbyman wrote:
Our council do NOT include it in conditions. It was implied that our council are in the wrong. But, if it is statute law, they don't need to include it because it's already there!

It's not in any act that I've read.

And if it ain't in any act, or in any bylaw/condition, then no council has a right to insist on one being present.

Ask the council to show where it's written down.
Author:  captain cab [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:40 pm ]
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I thought it was the health and safety at work act?

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Author:  cabbyman [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:45 pm ]
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Do you know which section, CC?

Does it apply to taxis with self-employed drivers?
Author:  captain cab [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:55 pm ]
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cabbyman wrote:
Do you know which section, CC?

Does it apply to taxis with self-employed drivers?


I think it applys to all...irrespective of their self employed or employed status...Health and Safety at Work Act 1974...I think

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Author:  wannabeeahack [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:28 pm ]
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the problem is that any injury or medical condition caused by improper medical attention could end up with a claim for compensation, im not a doctor or paramedic, i have no intention of attempting anything other than ringing for help

likewise the fire extinguisher, i can move quite fast for a big lad if it goes up in smoke

(although i havent got a Lti or limo.....lol)
Author:  gusmac [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:32 pm ]
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wannabeeahack wrote:
the problem is that any injury or medical condition caused by improper medical attention could end up with a claim for compensation, im not a doctor or paramedic, i have no intention of attempting anything other than ringing for help

likewise the fire extinguisher, i can move quite fast for a big lad if it goes up in smoke

(although i havent got a Lti or limo.....lol)


We have to carry both.
I have no intention of using either, since I am neither a fireman or paramedic :wink:
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:48 pm ]
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cabbyman wrote:
Does it apply to taxis with self-employed drivers?

It applies to employers, and unless you have employees in your cab it don't apply to us.

Best bet is to ask who wants to mandate first aid kits/training to put up or shut up. :wink:
Author:  bloodnock [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:55 pm ]
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gusmac wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
the problem is that any injury or medical condition caused by improper medical attention could end up with a claim for compensation, im not a doctor or paramedic, i have no intention of attempting anything other than ringing for help

likewise the fire extinguisher, i can move quite fast for a big lad if it goes up in smoke

(although i havent got a Lti or limo.....lol)


We have to carry both.
I have no intention of using either, since I am neither a fireman or paramedic :wink:



so its not chuck Bandages at a fire and douse an open Wound with a dry powder extinguisher...hmmmm...that may account for their screams :?
Author:  captain cab [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:03 pm ]
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Application of the Health and Safety (First-Aid) Regulations 1981 to self-employed workers

If you are self-employed, you are required to ensure you have adequate equipment to provide first aid to yourself while at work.

You must make an assessment of the hazards and risks in your workplace and establish an appropriate level of first aid provision. What this means in practice is that if you work in a low hazard activity, eg clerical work at home, a normal domestic first aid box would be adequate. If your work involves driving long distances or you are continuously on the road, the assessment may identify the need to keep a personal first aid kit in your vehicle.

Many self-employed people work on mixed premises with other self-employed or with employed workers. Although you are legally responsible for your own first aid provision, it is sensible to make joint arrangements with the other occupiers and self-employed on the premises. This would generally mean that one employer would take responsibility for first aid cover for all workers on the premises. HSE recommends there is a written agreement for any such arrangement.
Author:  grandad [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:25 pm ]
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It's an old argument. Our council insist that we have one but unless we are trained first aiders we can't use it ourselves but at the scene of an accident there may be a trained first aider who could.
Author:  wannabeeahack [ Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:26 pm ]
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Ill incorporate then and be a PAYE employee and absolve myself of any requirements under S/E regs...
Author:  captain cab [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:12 am ]
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Ill incorporate then and be a PAYE employee and absolve myself of any requirements under S/E regs...


It includes the self employed....like risk assessments.

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