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How far would you go as a proprietor, to retain your Hackney vehicle license ?
Would you break the law ? Commit fraud ? Deceptipon ? Forgery ?

If the answers 'Yes' How then can you be deemed, by the licensing authority, to be a 'fit and proper person ' ?

I dont think you can or will be !!!!

One could ask how far would you go to obtain a hackney vehicle license?
Would you break the law, commit fraud, deception or forgery?

Again if the answer is yes to this does that make the vehicle owner not fit and proper either or in their case do the actions justify the means?

From what I've read when the vehicle is owned by one person and the vehicle license by another there are two questionable individuals involved in this practice. The license holder cannot just affix the license to a vehicle without the knowledge and consent of the vehicle owner. The correct forms then have to be completed for the licensing authority, somewhere there will have to be lies told and at least two parties are aware of this.

I could of course have totally misunderstood your question

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Good answer 'toots', but the fact of the matter is everyone involved has been aware of the loophole that has been exploited. But it is only the 'license holder' that has knowing broken the law by declaring that they own a vehicle when in fact they dont.

It has come to light now that they do not own the vehicle, so, taking into account that everyone involved now knows the truth, including the licensing authority. Would you still try convince the licensing authority that you do own the vehicle ?

The answer to that is, No, I would not break the law and have not committed fraud, deception or forged anything nor have I blatantly attempted to dupe the licensing authority into believing differently.

The question wasn't about who owns what. The question was whether or not you would consider the applicant a fit and proper person.

In my view neither party is fit and proper, but, that's only my opinion. To take the view that because somebody has paid enough rent to justify their action of claiming the plate is silly imo that's kind of claiming a house you rent, just cos you think you've paid the mortgage.

As I said if the law has been broken or a loophole exploited it has been so by two people not one. Two wrongs don't make a right.



How exactly did this happen

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Whats the golden rule?

Not even when you provided them with evidence that you did not own the vehicle, now you are saying you do,

Desperate people often do desperate things, and often they are illegal.

Does that make them not 'fit and proper'? Yes and no.

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You obviously not up to date with the licensing process, maybe you should take time to think about iT !!!!
A driver does'nt provide licensing authority with anything in respect of vehicle !
Any documents produced, have been done so by the present proprietor.
and they then sign a blue form stating that they have told the truth, when in fact they have'nt, theres the first offence of fraud/deception. This procedure has nothing to do with driver whatsoever.

I think you're right there, 'desperate' , being the true description

Does the vehicle owner/driver not sign the bill of sale?

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Some do, some dont, some are written by plate owner, some are just printed with no signature, some are written by driver, some are actually legitimate bills of sale !
but regardless, the bill of sale, in whatever shape or form is the property of the plate owner ! It is he/she that presents that document to the licensing authorities knowing that it is either legitimate or not.

It is my opinion that if you were to take away the monetary value of plates and the amount of cash that has and does exchange hands, there would be very little objection to recent events.
Unfortunately some people have paid large amounts of money for plates, but they have done, knowing full well the consequences and risks involved. De-regulation has always been a threat and buying a plate has always been a gamble. The majority of those that have bought plates have protected their investment in abiding by the licensing conditions, providing the vehicle themselves, maintaining that vehicle themselves, insuring the vehicle themselves, charging fair rents and some even drive the vehicles themselves, and I believe they deserve every penny they make on those investments, good luck to them, they have done the right thing in the right way. However, their is the minority whose only drive is greed. They buy a plate to rent out, they insist the driver provides the vehicle, insurance and maintains that vehicle themselves. They insist that the driver provides a bill of sale if they want to work and earn a living, afterall, its just a formality, they charge the highest rents, higher than those that have done the right thing and provided the vehicle, they give no leeway if the drivers vehicle breaks down or is off the road for whatever reason, they still want the rent ! week in week out ! Some have proved that they would sack the driver at the drop of a hat, they dont care about anything but money, and that is fair enough, they have invested in that plate are entitled to make money from it. But surely, if you have such an investment you would protect it and do everything by the book to ensure or at least reduce the risk of losing it !!!!
You cant put money on a horse and then moan to the bookies when your horse does'nt win ! Its a gamble, always has been always will be. They knew what they were doing, they knew the risks and they were prepared to take those risks. It was only a matter of time before the whole licensing process had to be cleaned up once and for all. Not all gamblers always win, the winning streak has to end some time !

Surely in circumstances like these the Licensing Department have a certain amount of blame to shoulder for allowing the situation to continue.

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It seems to me that you are wanting to justify why certain things have happened. Nobody makes anybody pay excessive rent. If somebody isn't happy with the rent then don't rent, it's that simple. If a driver simply wants to earn a decent living then do so via private hire. I still believe that even though it's not the driver that fills out the licensing application they are fully aware of what goes on so they can rent the plate. Saying they didn't fill out the forms doesn't make them any less guilty of the fraud. I have to say I find it very strange that some people will go to any lengths to rent a HC and in particular to pay the highest rents. Why would somebody do that?

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