badger wrote:
Can a hackney carraige work from a private hire office in another borough as a private hire vehicle only
In my opinion yes.
But his bylaws might insist he goes back to his own area when free.
| Taxi Driver Online http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/ |
|
| Licencing laws http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5721 |
Page 1 of 2 |
| Author: | badger [ Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Licencing laws |
Can a hackney carraige work from a private hire office in another borough as a private hire vehicle only |
|
| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Licencing laws |
badger wrote: Can a hackney carraige work from a private hire office in another borough as a private hire vehicle only
In my opinion yes. But his bylaws might insist he goes back to his own area when free.
|
|
| Author: | badger [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
i suppose its a bit of a grey area as long as his for hire is not lit up. After all,a private hire cab is supposed to return to base but in this day and age how can they,when say a company with 100 cars only has planning permission to park 6 ?. |
|
| Author: | GA [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
In my opinion Badger the situation is abused by PH operators. The fact that certain PH offices seem to be threatening their local authority with going to another licensing area to obtain HC licenses and then bring those vehicles back to their area starving them of the licence revenue, is one which concerns me greatly. What we will get into if this is allowed to continue is absolute mayhem ............ people will just make up plates from fictitious towns, put a top-sign on their car and go out plying for hire. The only people who can stop this are the Police and so many different plates will be knocking about they will not have a clue what to look out for. The only way these people can be caught is by local enforcement ............ but remember if none of the vehicles are being licensed in the area they are operating in then there will be no enforcement as their will be no licensing revenue to pay for them. I believe that a vehicle licensed in area A should only be allowed to be based in area A. Then the licensing fee can be paid in area A and suitable enforcement can be undertaken to properly ensure the public of area A get best service. B. Lucky 
|
|
| Author: | JD [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Licencing laws |
badger wrote: Can a hackney carraige work from a private hire office in another borough as a private hire vehicle only
Yes they can and they most certainly do. There is an outdated model bylaw issued by the secretary of state which has been adopted by many councils which says, when plying for hire in the district a hackney carriage must go to the nearest Taxi rank. This bylaw is outdated and needs removing but two points you should take note of from this bylaw. First you have to be in the district which you are licensed in order to ply for hire, second, driving a licensed vehicle need not mean that you are always plying for public hire. Therefore I have to reluctantly disagree with Sussex about returning to the licensed area once you have become available for hire. Regards JD |
|
| Author: | smiffyz (geoff) [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
What about a PH licensed in one area, but working for an operator in another? |
|
| Author: | JD [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
smiffyz (geoff) wrote: What about a PH licensed in one area, but working for an operator in another?
Under P/H legisaltion you need a license for the area in which you wish to work. If you work Warrington then I advise you to get a hackney carriage license from an unrestricted authority and come to some arrangement with a radio operator to work on their system, or if there is enough of you who do that then why not set up your own system using Hackneys and you wont need a Warrington P/H operators license. I advise all private hire drivers who work in restricted authorities to get organised and take your money somewhere else and get a hackney carriage license and work P/H in any district you choose. I cannot understand why Sefton P/H are paying Sefton council when they could be licensed in any unrestricted area as a hackney carriage and work anywhere they wan't. Councils only issue licenses they don't provide you with a living, I'm afraid you have to do that yourself. Regards JD |
|
| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | |
GA wrote: In my opinion Badger the situation is abused by PH operators.
And they are forcing the cab drivers to drive on their circuits are they? |
|
| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Licencing laws |
JD wrote: First you have to be in the district which you are licensed in order to ply for hire.
To legally ply for hire. Surely when you are not in your area waiting for work, you could be viewed at illegally plying for hire.
|
|
| Author: | JD [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Licencing laws |
Sussex wrote: JD wrote: First you have to be in the district which you are licensed in order to ply for hire. To legally ply for hire. Surely when you are not in your area waiting for work, you could be viewed at illegally plying for hire. I suppose the trick is not placing yourself in a location where you might be perceived as plying for hire, however if someone comes up to you and says can you take me to the local knocking shop for instance you would obviously say no, I'm already booked. lol There is nothing in the law that says a hackney carriage driver has to return to the area in which he is licensed. If the hackney carriage wants to ply for PUBLIC hire however then he will have to return to his licensed area. Unless of course you happen to be in the same frame of mind as Yorkie in which case any licensed area will do as long as its within six miles of your local post office? lol If anyone sees Yorkie give him my regards and i'm sure those of TDO Regards JD |
|
| Author: | GA [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Sussex wrote: GA wrote: In my opinion Badger the situation is abused by PH operators. And they are forcing the cab drivers to drive on their circuits are they? Don't be stupid Sussex ....... read my post again mate .......... PH operators are obtaining their own HC plates and then sending drivers who are not competant enough to obtain a licence in their own borough to an area that has no testing to obtain their badge. These drivers are then returning to the area the operator is licensed and working under a PH contract even though they were unable to meet the required standards for that area. This sites supposed stance of advocating quality controls cannot be continued as long as they allow this activity. By supporting this activity I suggest this site is supporting the removal of all standards and rules as there is little point in having rules and regulations if no-one enforces them, and the councils cannot employ enough staff to do that if they do not have the revenue from the licenses operating in their area. It should be remembered that the fee we pay for licenses pays for more than just the testing of our vehicles and the stance of this site quite obviously support total deregulation as they are accepting of this situation, indeed they are supporting it. We have a situation in the North East where vehicles are working 60+ miles from their licensing area, which means that local enforcement activities by its licensing authority or the authority in which it works will NOT include this vehicle. GA ..... the one from Gateshead. B. Lucky
|
|
| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
If the law says an op can do it, then an op can do it. Whether you, me or the site like it or not, that's the law. Now if the national and local cab associations focused a bit more on stuff like this, and didn't only worry about plate values, then maybe this mess could be cleared up. So before you start preaching to what this site should, and shouldn't, do, get those associations that pretend to represent the trade to get their fingers out. |
|
| Author: | rambo [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Quote: Can a hackney carraige work from a private hire office in another borough as a private hire vehicle only
In my opinion no. If for example a hackney carraige licensed in brentwood came to my office in london, he could not work, his vehcile is not licensed by the PCO for private hire. |
|
| Author: | GA [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
Sussex wrote: Now if the national and local cab associations focused a bit more on stuff like this, and didn't only worry about plate values, then maybe this mess could be cleared up.
So before you start preaching to what this site should, and shouldn't, do, get those associations that pretend to represent the trade to get their fingers out. I must say I agree with that statement. B. Lucky
|
|
| Author: | Sussex [ Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | |
GA wrote: I must say I agree with that statement.
I'm pleased you do, but would much rather action took place than niceties.
|
|
| Page 1 of 2 | All times are UTC [ DST ] |
| Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group http://www.phpbb.com/ |
|