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Author:  ams [ Sat May 12, 2007 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  private hire or restricted psv
hope someone out there can help, i have been reading these forums for the last couple of weeks and found them very helpful and informative. i am currently in the process of setting up as a private hire service. my plan is to run a 7 seater and a high end motor (merc) mainly for airport runs. I used to work in hotel management and still have lots of contacts in the business where i can get quite a bit of work, my problem is i did not want the vehicles to be signwritten (executive service). i spoke to my local council and they were rather vague but said it may be possible if i make an application to the commitee, however since then i have had some information regarding "restricted psv operator", if i have understood it correctly i can run 2 vehicles without any signage whatsoever and without any intervention of my local council. this sounds very easy so what is the catch? the main reason i am favouring psv is because of the driver issue (ie, not having to have a ph license). hope someone out there can help!!!!!
Author:  captain cab [ Sat May 12, 2007 2:35 pm ]
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Approaching your local authority stating your business is for executive PH work might achieve you some kind of dispensation.

I dont know much about this restricted route.

CC
Author:  Sussex [ Sat May 12, 2007 5:04 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: private hire or restricted psv
ams wrote:
however since then i have had some information regarding "restricted psv operator", if i have understood it correctly i can run 2 vehicles without any signage whatsoever and without any intervention of my local council. this sounds very easy so what is the catch?

You will have to become a PSV operator, and you can't have more than two discs.

You also will come under VOSA who IMO have a lot more clout than your local council, and you will not be able to advertise as anything other than a small bus.

So if you have an advert offering the services of a taxi or PH, then you will have trading standards on your back.

In my experience the only folks using this service are the lower end of the market who don't like the idea of high standards. And I think you will find most councils allow a PH vehicle to operate with no signage if they offer high class work.

I also think you should have drivers with a council check, and a council knowledge, as not all work from hotels goes to the airport.

But the choice is yours. :?
Author:  grandad [ Sat May 12, 2007 10:19 pm ]
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I have a couple of cars that are private hire licensed but because I use them mainly for executive work I wrote to the licensing officer asking for dispensation from displaying the plate on the back of the car. I now have a letter from them that I hand to anyone stopping me that states that as long as the plate is in the car (the boot) I am ok. I do have the smaller stick on plate in the front window. But no other signs are on the car.
Author:  Sussex [ Sun May 13, 2007 8:18 am ]
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grandad wrote:
I wrote to the licensing officer asking for dispensation from displaying the plate on the back of the car. I now have a letter from them that I hand to anyone stopping me that states that as long as the plate is in the car (the boot) I am ok. I do have the smaller stick on plate in the front window. But no other signs are on the car.

I would be surprised if many councils don't offer a similar option.
Author:  Tulsablue [ Sun May 13, 2007 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: private hire or restricted psv
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In my experience the only folks using this service are the lower end of the market who don't like the idea of high standards
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Not sure what evidence you have for that statement Sussex, there are a couple of ops in my area who use the restricted path mainly because of the stupid and petty restrictions of LA's in a corner of the NWest where there are SIX!! different LA's all with different rules etc.
The restricted licence is easier to get (but only because you do not need the transport manager qualification and slightly less finance) you would need to around £5000 of available funds, but is otherwise just as strict with regards to vehicle maintainance etc. It is usually a good idea to stick to the "more than 15 miles " rules to keep away for local bus registration problems.

In any system you will always have the cowboys and should be the MAIN task of the authorities to tackle these problems instead of having a go at ops doing a good job with the petty games they play just because you are easier to find, this seems to happen both with LA officers and VOSA officers.
Author:  Sussex [ Sun May 13, 2007 2:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: private hire or restricted psv
Tulsablue wrote:
Not sure what evidence you have for that statement Sussex.

My own eyes is a start, but if in your manor the folks aren't the pits, then great. I just wish it was the same down here. :wink:
Author:  Tulsablue [ Sun May 13, 2007 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: private hire or restricted psv
Sussex wrote:
Tulsablue wrote:
Not sure what evidence you have for that statement Sussex.

My own eyes is a start, but if in your manor the folks aren't the pits, then great. I just wish it was the same down here. :wink:


Please do us all a favour and report what you see to VOSA, you can do it anonymous if you prefer. :D :D
It really does make me :evil: when people are willing to slag off something they think they see but are not willing to do anything about it, why let them keep getting away with it. You will need patience but it can be gratifying when you see the scumbags get what they deserve.
Author:  Sussex [ Mon May 14, 2007 5:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: private hire or restricted psv
Tulsablue wrote:
Please do us all a favour and report what you see to VOSA, you can do it anonymous if you prefer. :D :D

Oh I do, and along with the better side of the minibus trade we are making progress.

But when you can take a badge from one vehicle to another, and drivers of vehicles less than 8 punters don't need PSV licenses, then IMO it's a near impossible job for the VOSA enforcement team. :sad:
Author:  ams [ Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:14 am ]
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thankyou for all your replies. i have been in touch with my la and they have confirmed they do have a couple of unplated p/h cars, however they have been in business for a couple of years and can prove they have built up an executive/ business customer portfolio. regarding restricted psv do you have to have a constant fund of £5000 or is this just at the outset. getting close to wanting to start now and could do with some advice, anybody got any ideas ?
Author:  grandad [ Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:32 am ]
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I think that you will need to have access to this £5000 at all times. It is there so that you can cover any problems you have with your vehicles.
Author:  Sussex [ Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:18 pm ]
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ams wrote:
getting close to wanting to start now and could do with some advice, anybody got any ideas ?

Why can't you just go and license as a PH? :?
Author:  TDO [ Tue Jul 03, 2007 6:21 pm ]
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Sussex wrote:
ams wrote:
getting close to wanting to start now and could do with some advice, anybody got any ideas ?

Why can't you just go and license as a PH? :?


Well the LA in question clearly can't be bothered.

So you need to build up a clientele before you go unplated, but you can't because they won't let you without a clientele.

Cartel, anyone? :roll:
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