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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:49 am 
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Ive Been told that a Vehicle can used for reward once and once only in any 24 hour period and not need to be Licenced as Private hire Vehicle hire, this came from a Council source and would apply to a vehicle or any vehicle not the operator but any individual who has several licenced cars or just a private car...however it would be nice to have a Spare car on tap for just the odd one off emergency run when no other car would be available providing the Driver is Insured for that vehicle....Am i right on this one ???


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:40 pm 
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Ive Been told that a Vehicle can used for reward once and once only in any 24 hour period and not need to be Licenced as Private hire Vehicle hire, this came from a Council source and would apply to a vehicle or any vehicle not the operator but any individual who has several licenced cars or just a private car...however it would be nice to have a Spare car on tap for just the odd one off emergency run when no other car would be available providing the Driver is Insured for that vehicle....Am i right on this one ???


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22 Nothing in sections 10 to 21 (with the exception of subsection (7) of section 21) of this Act shall:-
(a) apply to a vehicle used for bringing passengers or goods within and
taking them out of an area in respect of which the vehicle is not licensed as a taxi or a private hire car in pursuance of a contract for the hire of the vehicle made outside the area if the vehicle is not made available for hire within the area;
(b) apply to a vehicle while it is being used in connection with a funeral or
wedding;
(c) apply to a vehicle while it is being used for carrying passengers under a contract for its exclusive hire for a period of not less than 24 hours.


It would appear you can do what you like in what you like as long as a proper written contract exists between you and your customer. That must include a start time and a finish time that's at least 24 hours apart.

Only one contract can exist at a time, so you can't have half a dozen different contracts going on the same vehicle.

But why don't you license the spare car, is it really going to cost that much? :?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:09 pm 
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But why don't you license the spare car, is it really gmoing to cost that uch?

Well it would actually, You have to have the car tested, hire and reward insurance, (up to 5 times more expensive than your normal premiums) and plates or stickers, and in some cases a meter fitted


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But why don't you license the spare car, is it really gmoing to cost that uch?

Well it would actually, You have to have the car tested, hire and reward insurance, (up to 5 times more expensive than your normal premiums) and plates or stickers, and in some cases a meter fitted
As it's hire and reward, you still need the right insurance. Only applies in Scotland as this is from the CGSA

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:08 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
Ive Been told that a Vehicle can used for reward once and once only in any 24 hour period and not need to be Licenced as Private hire Vehicle hire, this came from a Council source and would apply to a vehicle or any vehicle not the operator but any individual who has several licenced cars or just a private car...however it would be nice to have a Spare car on tap for just the odd one off emergency run when no other car would be available providing the Driver is Insured for that vehicle....Am i right on this one ???


Savings for certain vehicles, etc.

22 Nothing in sections 10 to 21 (with the exception of subsection (7) of section 21) of this Act shall:-
(a) apply to a vehicle used for bringing passengers or goods within and
taking them out of an area in respect of which the vehicle is not licensed as a taxi or a private hire car in pursuance of a contract for the hire of the vehicle made outside the area if the vehicle is not made available for hire within the area;
(b) apply to a vehicle while it is being used in connection with a funeral or
wedding;
(c) apply to a vehicle while it is being used for carrying passengers under a contract for its exclusive hire for a period of not less than 24 hours.


It would appear you can do what you like in what you like as long as a proper written contract exists between you and your customer. That must include a start time and a finish time that's at least 24 hours apart.

Only one contract can exist at a time, so you can't have half a dozen different contracts going on the same vehicle.

But why don't you license the spare car, is it really going to cost that much? :?


Is this the same as the now repealed section 75 exemption that comes into force in January?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:11 pm 
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Is this the same as the now repealed section 75 exemption that comes into force in January?

Yes, the only difference was down here it was/is 7 days. :sad:

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 Post subject: Sounds Good..
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:41 pm 
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As im In scotland this sounds good..........it may only be to shift luggage, it maybe that im stuck for a Licensed Driver ( which is likely due to all the enhanced procedural checks and other Guff ) and could stick say a family member cheaply on a cheaper by far car insurance than on a that car if put back into commission as a PH Vehicle would start off again with no No Claims Bonus Accrued as its original 5 years NCB went towards a new car....all in all this would save lots of lolly....£1000+ at a conservative guestimate......what says you??

Thanks for taking the time to reply..much appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: Sounds Good..
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:51 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
As im In scotland this sounds good..........it may only be to shift luggage, it maybe that im stuck for a Licensed Driver ( which is likely due to all the enhanced procedural checks and other Guff ) and could stick say a family member cheaply on a cheaper by far car insurance than on a that car if put back into commission as a PH Vehicle would start off again with no No Claims Bonus Accrued as its original 5 years NCB went towards a new car....all in all this would save lots of lolly....£1000+ at a conservative guestimate......what says you??

Thanks for taking the time to reply..much appreciated.
You still need Hire and reward insurance, as regular car insurance won't cover hire and reward

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 Post subject: Insurance Question
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:12 pm 
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And where could i Find such an Insurance for Occasional work only?? and How do these Luxury Limo guys manage to run vehicles that are unplated by any form of local authority, i assume that there is an Insurance catagory to suit them. as far as my Insurance brokers are concerned I seem to need every concievable authority proof before i get to insure any of my vehicles just short of getting a signature from the almighty himself tp say that I am who I say I am...


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 Post subject: Re: Insurance Question
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:37 pm 
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And where could i Find such an Insurance for Occasional work only??

I have no Idea. I don't do occasional work.

I can see your a little upset, but don't shoot the messenger. Would you rather have found out the hard way when a cop is doing you for not being insured?

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So this is only in Scotland! What happens if the guy in Scotland has this "emergency" and the job brings him into England?

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 Post subject: hmmm!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:44 pm 
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I guess its governed by the point of booking..and as im in scotland it'd come under scottish rules...at last something from the scottish executive that doesn't grate on my nerves...


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 Post subject: Re insurance.......
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:47 pm 
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Course im not shooting the messenger, I bear no malice to the harbinger of bad news, Indeed i welcome your input , thank you..however its an open to all question and im sure someone will have an answer to it.....:)


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 Post subject: Re: hmmm!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:04 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
I guess its governed by the point of booking..and as im in scotland it'd come under scottish rules...at last something from the scottish executive that doesn't grate on my nerves...


I think I will open a booking office in Scotland. :D

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grandad wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
I guess its governed by the point of booking..and as im in scotland it'd come under scottish rules...at last something from the scottish executive that doesn't grate on my nerves...


I think I will open a booking office in Scotland. :D
Why not. You dont need a licence here for a booking office

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