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Do these proposals include Scotland, JD?

However if you lived in the border region of England and Scotland and you were licensed to ply your trade in Scotland but lived in England, under these proposals it would be an offence to accept a private booking at your home address.

In the meantime you should start asking questions of those persons who represent you because this document was definitely not for your eyes or indeed public consumption.

So the largest taxi firm in the UK (possibly the largest in Europe),

"I therefore apologise to Mr Casey and the NTA for obliquely suggesting that they probably were involved".

A chance remark of his was picked up by me

In the meantime you should start asking questions of those persons who represent you because this document was definitely not for your eyes or indeed public consumption.

I know whatever comes out of these fish suppers will have to go out to full consultation

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I know whatever comes out of these fish suppers will have to go out to full consultation

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In the meantime you should start asking questions of those persons who represent you because this document was definitely not for your eyes or indeed public consumption.

So it wasnt circulated to all NTA members about two days after it was recieved? :roll:

Author:	JD [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:49 pm ]
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Mr T let slip in another thread that a document was in circulation that proposed eliminating the legal activity of hackney carriage cross border hiring. I asked Mr T who was responsible for these proposals but rather than divulge the source he preferred to play games and keep you Taxi drivers in the dark. After some considerable badgering I finally got to where we need to be. Before I tell everyone of the circumstances behind these proposals I would like to say that although I know Wayne Casey to be a supporter of amending Taxi legislation to discourage hackney carriage cross border hiring, neither he nor the NTA were the architects of these proposals. "I therefore apologise to Mr Casey and the NTA for obliquely suggesting that they probably were involved". A few days ago we were completely in the dark in respect of these proposals and if it wasn't for Mr T we would still be in that position. A chance remark of his was picked up by me and I wouldn't let go until I was in possession of the full facts. It took three or four days to get to where I wanted to be but I believe I now have enough facts to confidently inform TDO subscribers how these proposals came to be. If the persons I had tried to contact over the matter had been available and not on holiday or otherwise indisposed I might have concluded this exercise yesterday. However the point is that we are now where we want to be. _______________________ The MEETING OF MINDS exercise which has been mentioned in other threads on TDO was the vehicle that propelled these proposals to the stage they are at now. The term "meeting of minds" applies to the new joint discussion forum which was set up several weeks ago by trade bodies in order that they can find common ground on issues that otherwise would create division. That’s not an easy exercise to accomplish when you consider that each organisation might have a particular vested interest? The First Meeting of minds if my memory serves me well was hosted by the NTA and the latest and second meeting of minds which took place just over two weeks ago was hosted in Liverpool by the NTTG in what I believe to be the solicitors office of Joanne Connolly. If that is incorrect then I am sure someone will take great delight in correcting me. I am lead to believe that Naleo will host the next meeting of minds. I suppose you are wondering just who did make these proposed amendments to the 1976 act? Well it certainly wasn't any taxi trade body although I understand the subject of cross border hiring was widely discussed at the first meeting of minds. The proposals in question came from the National Association of Licensing and Enforcement Officers and the document circulated to all those trade bodies that form the club which now makes up the "meeting of minds". We might not get to know for some considerable time the level of acquiescence or dissent given by those taxi organisations that were present but you can rest assured that I won't stop putting them under the microscope until we have some answers? I am in the process of writing up a detailed account of the proposals and how they will affect every hackney carriage driver in the UK. In the meantime you should start asking questions of those persons who represent you because this document was definitely not for your eyes or indeed public consumption. Regards JD

Author:	gusmac [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:12 pm ]
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Do these proposals include Scotland, JD?

Author:	JD [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:28 pm ]
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gusmac wrote: Do these proposals include Scotland, JD? It includes Scotland to the effect that you won't be able to accept a personal mobile phone booking in any area of England and wales where the 1976 act is in force. Obviously bookings that come through a radio circuit based in Scotland are exempt. However if you lived in the border region of England and Scotland and you were licensed to ply your trade in Scotland but lived in England, under these proposals it would be an offence to accept a private booking at your home address. Regards JD

Author:	gusmac [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:36 pm ]
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More likely to be a concern in skippy's patch than mine then. I know the CGSA 1982 is under review and the licencing of booking offices is one of the things they are looking at. Have you heard anything about the progress of the review? It seems to have been bouncing around for years.

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:39 pm ]
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JD wrote: However if you lived in the border region of England and Scotland and you were licensed to ply your trade in Scotland but lived in England, under these proposals it would be an offence to accept a private booking at your home address. So the largest taxi firm in the UK (possibly the largest in Europe), ComCab based in London, who's bookings are taken in the beautiful country of Scotland, would be acting illegally?

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Author:	Sussex [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 5:46 pm ]
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JD wrote: In the meantime you should start asking questions of those persons who represent you because this document was definitely not for your eyes or indeed public consumption. See that's where I get the hump. I know whatever comes out of these fish suppers will have to go out to full consultation, but the cynic is me thinks these issues are generally a fait accompli. Now I know it would need a big table to sit everyone in this trade around it, and I know some of the guys already there are pretty sound, but with a trade of many 100s of 1000s of licensed drivers, these issues shouldn't be decided by so few. And finally one person doesn't talk for the whole of the PH trade.

Author:	MR T [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:36 pm ]
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Imagine Mr T letting something slip.... and there was me thinking he was always careful on what he say's or did not say.... discussion document.... so Debate..... Rita skeeter

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:35 pm ]
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Sussex wrote: So the largest taxi firm in the UK (possibly the largest in Europe), Why stop there....world or interplanetary domination?

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:36 pm ]
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Quote: "I therefore apologise to Mr Casey and the NTA for obliquely suggesting that they probably were involved". Framed

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:40 pm ]
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Quote: A chance remark of his was picked up by me l

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:42 pm ]
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Quote: In the meantime you should start asking questions of those persons who represent you because this document was definitely not for your eyes or indeed public consumption. So it wasnt circulated to all NTA members about two days after it was recieved?

Author:	MR T [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:43 pm ]
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I thought a spade would not do

Author:	captain cab [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:43 pm ]
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Quote: I know whatever comes out of these fish suppers will have to go out to full consultation incorrect

Author:	Sussex [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:45 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: Quote: I know whatever comes out of these fish suppers will have to go out to full consultation incorrect So the guv will do what it's told by the gang?

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Author:	JD [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:41 pm ]
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captain cab wrote: Quote: In the meantime you should start asking questions of those persons who represent you because this document was definitely not for your eyes or indeed public consumption. So it wasnt circulated to all NTA members about two days after it was recieved? With the NTA being so secretive we wouldn't know that would we? You have a website, if you wanted to inform the taxi trade you could have done so by putting the proposals up on the website. Any right minded organisation would have told NALEO where to stick their proposals but no doubt you like these proposals so I suppose that sets you and the rest of the cab trade apart. I forgot, MR T also likes the idea so your in good company. JD