Except that the incident was over a year ago and nothing new.
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| Author: | JD [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:09 pm ] |
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If anyone suspects any limousine company of carrying more than 8 passengers or even advertising that they carry more than 8 passengers, can you please submit their details in this thread in order that they can be verified as being bone-fide. If anyone sees any limo on the road without license identifications mark of any kind can you submit either the company name or the vehicle registration in this thread. Naturally some vehicles will have a license plate exemption but any right minded council should introduce other methods of visible public identification. Before anyone submits any details, they may wish to check out the VOSA search engine for bone fide license registrations. http://www.vosa.gov.uk/ Regards JD |
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| Author: | grandad [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:28 pm ] |
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By limousine company are you meaning just stretched limousines or are you including executive limousines? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:16 pm ] |
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I think the firm that just got done is a good, or bad, start. http://www.limomasters.co.uk/ |
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| Author: | grandad [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:32 pm ] |
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Except that the incident was over a year ago and nothing new.
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| Author: | JD [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:47 pm ] |
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grandad wrote: By limousine company are you meaning just stretched limousines or are you including executive limousines?
Any vehicle that is suspected of operating unlicensed. At the moment, the main culprits are limo operators, the licensing loophole has been closed to some extent, therefore those who operate illegitimately and outside the law need reminding of their legal licensing requirements. Regards JD |
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| Author: | JD [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:27 pm ] |
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The first entry in this thread is am2pm limos found at www.am2pmlimos.co.uk This company informed me they would supply a 14 seater limo for a five hour run around London for 580 pounds. I have no problem with that and perhaps that is a reasonable price but when I asked if the vehicle was licensed the gentleman on the other end of the line got a little flustered and said, he was only the controller. He did say the driver had a PSV driver license but I'm afraid that is not the same as the vehicle being licensed. He also said they run 20 seater limos but when I checked the company out with VOSA it appears there is no registration record for this company, how surprising is that? If VOSA are reading this then we on TDO would like you to get your finger out and do something about this company, who it would appear are obviously running around London unlicensed. http://www.am2pmlimos.co.uk/ Regards JD ___________________ Second entry is Midlands Limos http://www.midlandslimos.com/ who offer a standard limo hire service with no mention of self drive hire. When push came to shove and when asked if the vehicles were PSV licensed it was only then that the status of the hire was explained. It was stated that all the vehicles are registered minibuses and conform to schedule six conversions. I must admit that all my dealings with these limo people have so far been very cordial and its a shame that they have to try and circumvent the law in order to operate their business but the law is the law and so far it is quite clear what can and cannot be licensed. The original terms of hire contained no mention of any self drive element or the fact they supplied a driver. It was just a straight forward hire contract. It was only when they were contacted a second time and asked about the vehicles PSV status that the self drive hire element came to light. It was then that the operator offered the information that the vehicle was hired by the person who wished to be carried and they would be put in touch with a licensed driver to drive the vehicle. There is no mention on their website about minibus hire and it appears to me that this could lead to people being hoodwinked into thinking that they are hiring a complete licensed PSV package, without the self drive element. Obviously advertising self drive vehicles that aren't actually self drive could lead to possible legal complications, especially if the terms of the self drive hire element isn't correctly advertised or is a front for an entirely different mode of operation? In this particular case there is no PSV registration with VOSA for these vehicles apart from one entry for a "Midlands Limo" company based in Nottingham to operate one vehicle. License Registration PB1065821 R. For not advertising these vehicles as self drive and not allowing them to be driven by the person hiring the vehicle and with the vehicles being unlicensed as PSV and offering to carrying passengers for hire or reward without a license, then they are duly named as being unlicensed for the purpose of hire or reward. I don't subscribe to the schedule six nonsense in respect of the way these vehicles operate therefore until such time the law states their operation is legal, then they shall be deemed to be illegal. Regards JD |
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| Author: | grandad [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:52 pm ] |
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JD wrote: grandad wrote: By limousine company are you meaning just stretched limousines or are you including executive limousines? Any vehicle that is suspected of operating unlicensed. At the moment, the main culprits are limo operators, the licensing loophole has been closed to some extent, therefore those who operate illegitimately and outside the law need reminding of their legal licensing requirements. Regards JD Well I disagree that the main culprits are limo operators. There are far more chauffeur company's that are not licensed. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:03 pm ] |
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grandad wrote: JD wrote: grandad wrote: By limousine company are you meaning just stretched limousines or are you including executive limousines? Any vehicle that is suspected of operating unlicensed. At the moment, the main culprits are limo operators, the licensing loophole has been closed to some extent, therefore those who operate illegitimately and outside the law need reminding of their legal licensing requirements. Regards JD Well I disagree that the main culprits are limo operators. There are far more chauffeur company's that are not licensed. |
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| Author: | JD [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:06 pm ] |
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grandad wrote: JD wrote: grandad wrote: By limousine company are you meaning just stretched limousines or are you including executive limousines? Any vehicle that is suspected of operating unlicensed. At the moment, the main culprits are limo operators, the licensing loophole has been closed to some extent, therefore those who operate illegitimately and outside the law need reminding of their legal licensing requirements. Regards JD Well I disagree that the main culprits are limo operators. There are far more chauffeur company's that are not licensed. Do chauffeur companies operate vehicles? I don't know a lot about chauffeur companies but anyone driving an unlicensed vehicle is driving without insurance, regardless of whether he has a license. Are you suggesting limo operators allow unlicensed chauffeurs to drive their vehicles regardless of whether the vehicle is licensed? Regards JD |
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| Author: | grandad [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:19 pm ] |
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I'm talking about the airport transfer and executive transfer people who were all using the contract exemption and have not bothered to license at all. |
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| Author: | JD [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:00 pm ] |
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grandad wrote: I'm talking about the airport transfer and executive transfer people who were all using the contract exemption and have not bothered to license at all.
If you know of any of these people then let us know we'll soon determine if they are licensed. Regards JD |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:06 pm ] |
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There seams to be loads of chauffeur drivers and company's that only operate 4 seat saloons, shurly they need to be licenced as well and fully checked,like the company's that ferry VIPs around |
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| Author: | grandad [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:08 pm ] |
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skippy41 wrote: There seams to be loads of chauffeur drivers and company's that only operate 4 seat saloons, shurly they need to be licenced as well and fully checked,like the company's that ferry VIPs around
That's exactly what I have just been saying. |
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| Author: | kermit2482 [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:02 pm ] |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:45 pm ] |
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grandad wrote: Well I disagree that the main culprits are limo operators. There are far more chauffeur company's that are not licensed.
Hmmmmm. 
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