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All private hire vehicles that carry-out taxi type work on radio circuits should have meters fitted and be licensed as taxis. This would make enforcement within the trade much easier and would also make it easier to identify illegal unlicensed vehicles operating in the district. It would also solve the problem of long queues at taxi ranks at busy times especially at night when currently a lot of private hire vehicles illegally tout for work.

Vehicle Type Specification

The FSB recommends that the best practice for taxis is that Local Authorities implement a mixed fleet policy so that the customer, disabled or not, has the choice of what type of vehicle they would like to travel in. Many elderly people find a saloon type car easier to get in and out of.

Owners and operators should be able to choose the type, style and colour of vehicles that suits their operational needs.

I don't agree with the suggestion that punters can pick and choose which car on the rank they want. Recipe for many ruck's.

I don't agree with the mixed fleet taxi proposal, as why should some folks pay up to £35,000 while their colleagues pay up to £15,000 for a motor.

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I don't agree with the suggestion that punters can pick and choose which car on the rank they want. Recipe for many ruck's.

Your correct Sussex they need to be told this, why should the Uk be different from the rest of the world.
Every taxi is the same price in there own area allegedly, if a punter wants a cheaper cab off any rank they should wait till it gets to the front, or make a phone call :evil:

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I don't agree with the mixed fleet taxi proposal, as why should some folks pay up to £35,000 while their colleagues pay up to £15,000 for a motor.

I do and they gave a good description why under the disability rules

I do agree with all PH having a top sign or be painted yellow then we will be able to see who is touting

I agree that there should be a Uk wide set of rules drawn up so the whole of the Uk can sing the same song

I dont agree with the typical PH English comment :wink:

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I don't agree with the suggestion that punters can pick and choose which car on the rank they want. Recipe for many ruck's.

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I don't agree with the mixed fleet taxi proposal, as why should some folks pay up to £35,000 while their colleagues pay up to £15,000 for a motor.

I do and they gave a good description why under the disability rules

I do agree with all PH having a top sign or be painted yellow then we will be able to see who is touting

I agree that there should be a Uk wide set of rules drawn up so the whole of the Uk can sing the same song

I dont agree with the typical PH English comment :wink:

Would you agree with a mixed fleet policy if you were one of the poor saps who were told they must buy a 35K motor skippy?

When did Mr Thorogood write this?

The latest figures available show 153 (45%) authorities still have a limit on taxi numbers.

That hasn't been the case for some years now.

Regards

JD

JD wrote:

When did Mr Thorogood write this?

The latest figures available show 153 (45%) authorities still have a limit on taxi numbers.

That hasn't been the case for some years now.

Regards

JD

JD Be our guest and contact him and put the record straight, and while your at it inform him of the resentment in some places to people not using the first cab on the rank and the problems it causes when its busy.
make it plain first cab only at all times

skippy41 wrote:

JD wrote:

When did Mr Thorogood write this?

The latest figures available show 153 (45%) authorities still have a limit on taxi numbers.

That hasn't been the case for some years now.

Regards

JD

I can understand the frustration of someone at the front of the rank being chit on by someone behind who takes a job out of turn. It seldom happens in Manchester but I know from what's been said on here that it happens in lots of places throughout the country. I don't think there is a legal provision for such a law to be introduced because it would impact on lots of legislation appertaining to freedom of choice. I understand Mr Thorogood is or was a Taxi driver in the South of England but I must admit I've seen worse reports than this.

Regards

JD

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Would you agree with a mixed fleet policy if you were one of the poor saps who were told they must buy a 35K motor skippy?

I would be straight on to E Bay for a £100 Metro

"The legislative base for taxis in Scotland is covered under section 10 of the Civil Government (Scotland) Act, 1982. The definitions contained within this Act differ somewhat from the legislation in England and Wales. The effect being that, vehicles in Scotland must operate either as a taxi or as private hire. However, in England and Wales a taxi can also operate as a private hire vehicle depending on the method of hiring. One effect of this is that it is less common to find mixed fleets of taxis and private hire vehicles in taxi firms in Scotland than it is in England and Wales."

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Is this complete twaddle, or am I missing something?

Author:	JD [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Federation of Small businesses report on Taxi trade.
Taxi Driver Online recently received the following report compiled by Doug Thorogood on behalf of the Federation of Small Businesses. The pdf file can be downloaded here, http://taxi-driver.co.uk/files/fsbproposals.pdf FSB Taxi & Private Hire Vehicle Draft Policy Proposals December 2007 Contents Introduction London Introduction Bus Lanes Red Routes - Private Hire Vehicles The Knowledge England & Wales Introduction Bus Lanes Conditions of Licence/Penalty Points System Criminal Record Bureau Checks Cross Border Hiring Deregulation of Taxis Disability Discrimination Act 1995 Enforcement Front Car Policy at Taxi Ranks Multi-Seater Vehicles Private Hire Vehicles Stretched Limousines Taxi Zones Vehicle Identification Vehicle Insurance Scotland Introduction Criminal Record Bureau Checks Cross Border Hiring Enforcement Front Car Policy at Taxi Ranks Private Hire Vehicles Stretched Limousines Vehicle Age Limits Vehicle Identification Vehicle Insurance Vehicle Livery Vehicle Type Specification “Volunteer” Drivers Northern Ireland Introduction Enforcement Stretched Limousines Vehicle Insurance ____________________________

Author:	gusmac [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:31 pm ]
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Quote: All private hire vehicles that carry-out taxi type work on radio circuits should have meters fitted and be licensed as taxis. This would make enforcement within the trade much easier and would also make it easier to identify illegal unlicensed vehicles operating in the district. It would also solve the problem of long queues at taxi ranks at busy times especially at night when currently a lot of private hire vehicles illegally tout for work. What exactly are they saying here?

Author:	gusmac [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:37 pm ]
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Quote: Vehicle Type Specification The FSB recommends that the best practice for taxis is that Local Authorities implement a mixed fleet policy so that the customer, disabled or not, has the choice of what type of vehicle they would like to travel in. Many elderly people find a saloon type car easier to get in and out of. Owners and operators should be able to choose the type, style and colour of vehicles that suits their operational needs. I like this bit Aberdeen council are you listening?

Author:	Sussex [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:11 pm ]
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Haven't got a clue who this mush is, or where he gets his info from, but most of what they say/recommend seems fair enough. Access to London bus lanes for all licensed taxi and PH vehicles. Giving the extra help, to folks doing the London knowledge, to everyone and not make it dependent on the colour of the applicants skin. A national set of standards for drivers and vehicles. A CRB passport which can be used to show different organizations that you are ok, rather than umpteen different CRBs needed for umpteen different organizations. A gradual process of national delimitation over 10 years. Well I would sooner it over 10 minutes, but at least the end game is the same. I don't agree with the mixed fleet taxi proposal, as why should some folks pay up to £35,000 while their colleagues pay up to £15,000 for a motor. I don't agree with the suggestion that punters can pick and choose which car on the rank they want. Recipe for many ruck's. I don't agree with the suggestion that multi-seaters should only be licensed for the number of seats that can be used without having to climb over someone else. If a manufacture has put a seat in a vehicle then a customers should be able to fill it. I wont comment on the Scottish and Irish bits, and leave that to those that a) work there, and b) give a stuff.

Author:	skippy41 [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:47 pm ]
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Quote: I don't agree with the suggestion that punters can pick and choose which car on the rank they want. Recipe for many ruck's. Your correct Sussex they need to be told this, why should the Uk be different from the rest of the world. Every taxi is the same price in there own area allegedly, if a punter wants a cheaper cab off any rank they should wait till it gets to the front, or make a phone call Quote: I don't agree with the mixed fleet taxi proposal, as why should some folks pay up to £35,000 while their colleagues pay up to £15,000 for a motor. I do and they gave a good description why under the disability rules I do agree with all PH having a top sign or be painted yellow then we will be able to see who is touting I agree that there should be a Uk wide set of rules drawn up so the whole of the Uk can sing the same song I dont agree with the typical PH English comment

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Author:	jimbo [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:13 pm ]
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skippy41 wrote: Quote: I don't agree with the suggestion that punters can pick and choose which car on the rank they want. Recipe for many ruck's. Your correct Sussex they need to be told this, why should the Uk be different from the rest of the world. Every taxi is the same price in there own area allegedly, if a punter wants a cheaper cab off any rank they should wait till it gets to the front, or make a phone call Quote: I don't agree with the mixed fleet taxi proposal, as why should some folks pay up to £35,000 while their colleagues pay up to £15,000 for a motor. I do and they gave a good description why under the disability rules I do agree with all PH having a top sign or be painted yellow then we will be able to see who is touting I agree that there should be a Uk wide set of rules drawn up so the whole of the Uk can sing the same song I dont agree with the typical PH English comment Would you agree with a mixed fleet policy if you were one of the poor saps who were told they must buy a 35K motor skippy?

Author:	grandad [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:05 pm ]
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skippy41 wrote: Quote: I don't agree with the suggestion that punters can pick and choose which car on the rank they want. Recipe for many ruck's. Your correct Sussex they need to be told this, why should the Uk be different from the rest of the world. Every taxi is the same price in there own area allegedly, if a punter wants a cheaper cab off any rank they should wait till it gets to the front, or make a phone call Quote: I don't agree with the mixed fleet taxi proposal, as why should some folks pay up to £35,000 while their colleagues pay up to £15,000 for a motor. I do and they gave a good description why under the disability rules I do agree with all PH having a top sign or be painted yellow then we will be able to see who is touting I agree that there should be a Uk wide set of rules drawn up so the whole of the Uk can sing the same song I dont agree with the typical PH English comment That has just fooked the taxi trade in Derby then.

Author:	skippy41 [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:07 pm ]
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Quote: Would you agree with a mixed fleet policy if you were one of the poor saps who were told they must buy a 35K motor skippy? I would be straight on to E Bay for a £100 Metro

Author:	JD [ Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:49 pm ]
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When did Mr Thorogood write this? The latest figures available show 153 (45%) authorities still have a limit on taxi numbers. That hasn't been the case for some years now. Regards JD

Author:	skippy41 [ Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:44 am ]
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JD wrote: When did Mr Thorogood write this? The latest figures available show 153 (45%) authorities still have a limit on taxi numbers. That hasn't been the case for some years now. Regards JD JD Be our guest and contact him and put the record straight, and while your at it inform him of the resentment in some places to people not using the first cab on the rank and the problems it causes when its busy. make it plain first cab only at all times

Author:	JD [ Mon Mar 03, 2008 1:43 am ]
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skippy41 wrote: JD wrote: When did Mr Thorogood write this? The latest figures available show 153 (45%) authorities still have a limit on taxi numbers. That hasn't been the case for some years now. Regards JD JD Be our guest and contact him and put the record straight, and while your at it inform him of the resentment in some places to people not using the first cab on the rank and the problems it causes when its busy. make it plain first cab only at all times I can understand the frustration of someone at the front of the rank being chit on by someone behind who takes a job out of turn. It seldom happens in Manchester but I know from what's been said on here that it happens in lots of places throughout the country. I don't think there is a legal provision for such a law to be introduced because it would impact on lots of legislation appertaining to freedom of choice. I understand Mr Thorogood is or was a Taxi driver in the South of England but I must admit I've seen worse reports than this. Regards JD

Author:	jimbo [ Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:51 am ]
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JD wrote: skippy41 wrote: JD wrote: When did Mr Thorogood write this? The latest figures available show 153 (45%) authorities still have a limit on taxi numbers. That hasn't been the case for some years now. Regards JD JD Be our guest and contact him and put the record straight, and while your at it inform him of the resentment in some places to people not using the first cab on the rank and the problems it causes when its busy. make it plain first cab only at all times I can understand the frustration of someone at the front of the rank being chit on by someone behind who takes a job out of turn. It seldom happens in Manchester but I know from what's been said on here that it happens in lots of places throughout the country. I don't think there is a legal provision for such a law to be introduced because it would impact on lots of legislation appertaining to freedom of choice. I understand Mr Thorogood is or was a Taxi driver in the South of England but I must admit I've seen worse reports than this. Regards JD "Worse reports than this"? You've read "Myth and reality" then?

Author:	jimbo [ Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:55 am ]
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skippy41 wrote: Quote: Would you agree with a mixed fleet policy if you were one of the poor saps who were told they must buy a 35K motor skippy? I would be straight on to E Bay for a £100 Metro Yes, a typically trite Skippy answer. But many call for so-called "mixed fleets" but no one has a reasonable and equitable formula for achieving one.

Author:	Fae Fife [ Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:03 pm ]
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Quote: "The legislative base for taxis in Scotland is covered under section 10 of the Civil Government (Scotland) Act, 1982. The definitions contained within this Act differ somewhat from the legislation in England and Wales. The effect being that, vehicles in Scotland must operate either as a taxi or as private hire. However, in England and Wales a taxi can also operate as a private hire vehicle depending on the method of hiring. One effect of this is that it is less common to find mixed fleets of taxis and private hire vehicles in taxi firms in Scotland than it is in England and Wales." Is this complete twaddle, or am I missing something?

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Author:	Sussex [ Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:59 pm ]
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Fae Fife wrote: Quote: "The legislative base for taxis in Scotland is covered under section 10 of the Civil Government (Scotland) Act, 1982. The definitions contained within this Act differ somewhat from the legislation in England and Wales. The effect being that, vehicles in Scotland must operate either as a taxi or as private hire. However, in England and Wales a taxi can also operate as a private hire vehicle depending on the method of hiring. One effect of this is that it is less common to find mixed fleets of taxis and private hire vehicles in taxi firms in Scotland than it is in England and Wales." Is this complete twaddle, or am I missing something? I don't know, but down here most, if not all firms are mixed taxi/PH fleets. I would imagine the chances of that happening in Glasgow/Edinburgh are pretty slim.