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If a driver is driving any metro or LTI cabs that are now on the road, and they are called to pick up a wheelchair passenger or even a wave down, or rank pick up, and the chair cannot be placed in the correct position, or fastened down as per the law, and the driver then refuses to take said passenger, because of this, what would the outcome be if they where reported to the council.
Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs

Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs

In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing.

The E7 variant, old model or new model, are LESS accessible than the Metrocab, FACT.

In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing.

what would the outcome be if they where reported to the council.

Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs

Bart wrote:

In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing.

Would that be the driver, or the council now suposing that the pasenger could transfer to a seat in a saloon but could not do so in a wav

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The E7 variant, old model or new model, are LESS accessible than the Metrocab, FACT.

In what way????????? the rear seats are split and fold to the side in the E7 or they did in the one I seen at Paton's giving loads more room.
I have even seen them with rear ramps

skippy41 wrote:

Bart wrote:

In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing.

Would that be the driver, or the council now supposing that the passenger could transfer to a seat in a saloon but could not do so in a wav

Quote:

The E7 variant, old model or new model, are LESS accessible than the Metrocab, FACT.

In what way????????? the rear seats are split and fold to the side in the E7 or they did in the one I seen at Paton's giving loads more room.
I have even seen them with rear ramps

In what way?????????

In every way.

I wonder why the bloke with the badge is called "The Driver"

shouldnt wheelchair cases have an escort/mate/pusher with them?

open the door and say (after me) "IF YOU CAN GET IN, ILL TAKE YOU"

ambulance staff are trained in the use of (and loading of) wheelchair cases, you are NOT, any problem and your on your own....

Author:	skippy41 [ Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Should drivers refuse wheelchair jobs on safety grounds
If a driver is driving any metro or LTI cabs that are now on the road, and they are called to pick up a wheelchair passenger or even a wave down, or rank pick up, and the chair cannot be placed in the correct position, or fastened down as per the law, and the driver then refuses to take said passenger, because of this, what would the outcome be if they where reported to the council. Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs

Author:	captain cab [ Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:52 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Should drivers refuse wheelchair jobs on safety grounds
skippy41 wrote: If a driver is driving any metro or LTI cabs that are now on the road, and they are called to pick up a wheelchair passenger or even a wave down, or rank pick up, and the chair cannot be placed in the correct position, or fastened down as per the law, and the driver then refuses to take said passenger, because of this, what would the outcome be if they where reported to the council. Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs Held responsible to whom? CC

Author:	captain cab [ Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:56 pm ]
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And this aint exactly news CC

Author:	jimbo [ Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Should drivers refuse wheelchair jobs on safety grounds
skippy41 wrote: If a driver is driving any metro or LTI cabs that are now on the road, and they are called to pick up a wheelchair passenger or even a wave down, or rank pick up, and the chair cannot be placed in the correct position, or fastened down as per the law, and the driver then refuses to take said passenger, because of this, what would the outcome be if they where reported to the council. Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs In 16 years of Metrocab ownership, and thousands, and I mean thousands of journeys with passengers who are wheelchair users, I have only twice been unable to carry out the journey, once when the wheelchair was too wide to go through the door, and the other time when the passenger also had a leg in plaster, which meant I would have been unable to turn and secure the wheelchair correctly. It is obvious that you would therefore claim Skippy, that the Metrocab is not fit for purpose. However, the E7 would have had to refuse both jobs, on the same grounds that I did. The E7 variant, old model or new model, are LESS accessible than the Metrocab, FACT. The newest Taxi in Lincoln, a TW200, has a very telling sticker on the back door. "VAN OF THE YEAR 2008"

Author:	captain cab [ Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:06 pm ]
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I wonder if skippys motto is everyone should have a WAV....except me? CC

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Author:	Sussex [ Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Should drivers refuse wheelchair jobs on safety grounds
skippy41 wrote: Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs I think if it went tits up it would be the driver that kops 100% of the blame. Which is why a driver should only do a WAV job if he feels it's safe to do, and has a reasonable excuse. No left my ramps at home or can't find the straps.

Author:	Tom Thumb [ Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:40 pm ]
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When I was investigating buying WAV's for my fleet I arranged a meeting with a group of drivers, our local Access group (who brought along 3 volunteers wheelchair users) and had four different demonstration vehicles. It was unainmous that side loading WAV's were not safe for my employees to use in many cases. The wheelchair users all felt rear loading vehicles were more comfortable and 'dignifying' (their term not mine). That made me decide to buy Automotive Group Sharans.

Author:	Bart [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:12 am ]
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In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a sticky wicket by refusing.

Author:	skippy41 [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:12 am ]
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Bart wrote: In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing. Would that be the driver, or the council now suposing that the pasenger could transfer to a seat in a saloon but could not do so in a wav Quote: The E7 variant, old model or new model, are LESS accessible than the Metrocab, FACT. In what way????????? the rear seats are split and fold to the side in the E7 or they did in the one I seen at Paton's giving loads more room. I have even seen them with rear ramps

Author:	cabby john [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:03 am ]
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Bart wrote: In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing. If you can reasonably put forward a "Safety" argument then they "whoever" have not got a leg to stand on - the buck will always stop with you or I - so if in doubt - then dont.

Author:	captain cab [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:36 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Should drivers refuse wheelchair jobs on safety grounds
skippy41 wrote: what would the outcome be if they where reported to the council. A council would be able to do zero provided the driver offered reasonable assistance, as cabby john has stated, refusal on the grounds of safety is a reasonable excuse. skippy41 wrote: Would the council be held responsible especially in areas where they only insist on metro and LTI cabs Why should they? In some areas there are no provisions for the wheelchair bound at all. CC

Author:	jimbo [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:29 pm ]
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skippy41 wrote: Bart wrote: In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing. Would that be the driver, or the council now suposing that the pasenger could transfer to a seat in a saloon but could not do so in a wav Quote: The E7 variant, old model or new model, are LESS accessible than the Metrocab, FACT. In what way????????? the rear seats are split and fold to the side in the E7 or they did in the one I seen at Paton's giving loads more room. I have even seen them with rear ramps In what way????????? In every way.

Author:	skippy41 [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:36 pm ]
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jimbo wrote: skippy41 wrote: Bart wrote: In this PC world we live in the only thing that trumps health and safety is disability so you would probably be on a stick wicket by refusing. Would that be the driver, or the council now supposing that the passenger could transfer to a seat in a saloon but could not do so in a wav Quote: The E7 variant, old model or new model, are LESS accessible than the Metrocab, FACT. In what way????????? the rear seats are split and fold to the side in the E7 or they did in the one I seen at Paton's giving loads more room. I have even seen them with rear ramps In what way????????? In every way. Could you explain your comments or elaborate more??????????

Author:	wannabeeahack [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:27 pm ]
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I wonder why the bloke with the badge is called "The Driver" shouldnt wheelchair cases have an escort/mate/pusher with them? open the door and say (after me) "IF YOU CAN GET IN, ILL TAKE YOU" ambulance staff are trained in the use of (and loading of) wheelchair cases, you are NOT, any problem and your on your own....

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Author:	jimbo [ Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:31 pm ]
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wannabeeahack wrote: I wonder why the bloke with the badge is called "The Driver" shouldnt wheelchair cases have an escort/mate/pusher with them? open the door and say (after me) "IF YOU CAN GET IN, ILL TAKE YOU" ambulance staff are trained in the use of (and loading of) wheelchair cases, you are NOT, any problem and your on your own.... And with that attitude, your council will arrange a three day training course for you at your own expense. Rocket science it is not, although rocketry is engineering, strictly speaking.