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Just a fantasy.... I have a private hire radio company in Newcastle and I want to expand, but I am having problems getting my drivers have through the knowledge test.. and for some do not speak English to good.. and others are just plain thick... so what do I do....
I know........... I look for a council that does not have a knowledge test.... Happy Days I have licensed drivers..... what does it matter if I have to Licence my vehicles there as well.


Do PHV drivers have a knowledge test in Newcastle?


I am under the impression that they do..... but I might be wrong... I think GA is the person to ask

but I do know that there is other areas in Wales were with this is happening

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You have managed to conclude a great deal from two one-liners.... where as I came to the conclusion that you're an idiot from your pass posts..... I wouldn't worry though... there is plenty more like you...



You know who it is Trev.

Give it a couple of weeks and peace will reign once more.

Don't feed it, boredom will set in and another reincarnation will appear sooner or later. :D

yes I know.... but I do like to play with him

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Just a fantasy.... I have a private hire radio company in Newcastle and I want to expand, but I am having problems getting my drivers have through the knowledge test.. and for some do not speak English to good.. and others are just plain thick... so what do I do....
I know........... I look for a council that does not have a knowledge test.... Happy Days I have licensed drivers..... what does it matter if I have to Licence my vehicles there as well.


Do PHV drivers have a knowledge test in Newcastle?


Yes they do.

Drivers in Derwentside (another council area where people used to go for HC and then work under PH contracts) didn't have a knowledge test until recently .................. and guess what, as soon as it was introduced it didn't stop the use of Derwentside HC as PH.

There are to many interpretations by LO's as Mr T has quite rightly pointed out.

I agree with him wholeheartedly that the LO's should be trained to a minimum standard ............. we have to prove we know what we're doing before they will let us work, I think it only fair that they should have to prove competance.

Unification of many authorities mean new licensing policies .................. if your council is unifying with another/ others then get on the consultation groups NOW and push for LO standards.

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JD ................... instead of making stupid comparisons and comments about the opinions of others why don't you explain how you see the benefit to the public under a single tier system and how the same would be of benefit to the drivers of BOTH HC and PH.

Its easy to sit there are dismiss the opinions of others when you don't put your neck on the line by being absolutely clear in your answers to the above questions.

I say that a single tier system would alienate the customers who wish to pre-book a vehicle to be at a certain place at a certain time as I suggest they will all be in the town and city centres plying for hire.

I say that the disabled customers would also be at a disadvatage as you don't seem to grasp the simple fact that given a choice drivers would pay for a saloon rather than a WAV.

Do we take for granted that your advice on these subject will mirror the "proposals" you made to the Institute of Licensing as mentioned earlier where incentives to drivers of prime ranking space for owners of WAV's ............... even though you jumped about like a scalded cat at the very though of such a notion when you discovered that exactly that was the policy of Carlisle City Council.

You are a man of many faces Mr JD .................. and the scary thing is that you think none of them are known to anyone and you can say what you like on here.

Maybe we should all buy the same vehicle as you have .................. it seems to get from one end of the UK and back to the middle very quickly.

B. Lucky :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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we would be better off buying the same vehicle as Captain cab had.... Remember when he was in Bradford.... and Carlisle at the same time :lol:

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When you go to the labour exchange do they still ask you "what was your last job"? I assume a cab driver would say I was a cab driver but perhaps not you, what would you say?


Previously I was a self employed taxi driver!!!!!!!!!

Of course its a f**king job you dimwit


So you finally agree with me that taxi driving is a job. It took you long enough to admit it. So when I said this driver should get a job that suits him better than taxi driving you actually agreed with the syntax but you thought it wiser to be a moron and come up with this business nonsense.

I suppose taxi driving is his business so that makes his job a taxi driver. Grow up and stop making yourself look a complete idiot.

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I really feel sorry for you JD..... when you do not understand what a discussion document is..... it is not the final draft.... now if it was the final draft I could understand where you're coming from.... but it is not.... do you understand what not means....... all you're doing is running round like a frightened little girl waving your arms in the air... you need to grow up..... or maybe not....


Perhaps you should reflect on your own words and then tell us if single drivers need to buy an operators license in order to take a private booking at home? Perhaps you can also tell us if single drivers have been left alone when they cant take a mobile phone booking out of their own area. You can also tell us if single drivers have been left alone when they can't take a phone booking inside their own area regardless of whether they are sat at home or on a taxi rank. You can also tell us why single drivers in London or Scotland won't be able to take a mobile phone booking when they venture across the border into England and Wales. You can also tell us why single drivers have been left alone when they won't be able to use systems such as taxi call because it will be illegal.

All this because you and your cronies would prefer hackney cab drivers to be shackled in the same way private hire drivers are shackled.

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If you had bothered to read it correctly...... you would have seen that the intention was to leave single drivers alone.


**Well you didn't do a very good job did you?**

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no Hackney Association nationally would agree to restrict their members in such a way.


You just have you dummy.

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it is a bit obvious really.


It is to us but apparently not to you and your cronies, and that is extremely disturbing.

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JD ................... instead of making stupid comparisons and comments about the opinions of others why don't you explain how you see the benefit to the public under a single tier system and how the same would be of benefit to the drivers of BOTH HC and PH.


When someone makes a statement that isn't true or is factually incorrect then I suppose they are leaving themselves open to rebuttal, therefore you shouldn't be surprise when you publish nonsense and someone holds you to account. The only remedy is to publish the facts but I think on some occasions that appears to be quite difficult for you.

With regards my views on a single tier system I think they are well established and I have written about them many times in the past but obviously you have a very short memory to go with your very short fuse. lol

A single tier system as with any system of taxi licensing will only work if stringent quality controls are in place, especially for drivers.

Under the current system those stringent quality controls are lacking both in hackney carriage and private hire. A single tier system would unit the taxi trade and make it stronger because most would probably have the same aims and objectives, rather than the fragmentation and great divide that is evident under the current system.

New taxi legislation cannot be encapsulated in a few lines but the main focus of any new taxi legislation should be to remove the powers granted to licensing bodies whereby they can make conditions of license on the hoof, (whoever that licensing body might be under new legislation?).

Statutory provisions should be set out in legislation and only the secretary of state should be granted the task of changing or amending those conditions on a national basis.

Another crucial aspect of new legislation should be the removal of taxi licensing from the hands of councillors in all 343 licensing areas in England and Wales.

There are far too many objectives that need achieving in order for the taxi driver to become master and not the servant. The days of Queen Victoria are long gone and a new broom needs to sweep clean that which has gathered dust for far too long.

On a final note I would just like to say that Manchester has an average of 850 private hire applications each year I should imagine that in restricted areas the figures are exponentially similar. Therefore the only way to restrict such growth is by having new legislation whereby entry standards are set at a national level.

All this is academic as far as I'm concerned because I won't be around to see it happen but for the time being at least, I'll make my points loud and clear, regardless of who they are aimed at?

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On a slightly different note, PH have largely been excluded from the provisions of the DDA.
Justification for this was that it was a book in advance service.
If they were allowed to respond to street hails, would they not then fall under the scope of the DDA?

Just a thought.

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On a slightly different note, PH have largely been excluded from the provisions of the DDA.
Justification for this was that it was a book in advance service.
If they were allowed to respond to street hails, would they not then fall under the scope of the DDA?

Just a thought.


Any new legislation would have to take account of the DDA but it would be a step backward if all vehicles did not have the same status, regardless of whether they were wav or scs (Swivel chair saloons). SCS is a new acronym I made up, lets see if it catches on? lol Perhaps someone can think of a better acronym for Swivel chair saloons?

The secretary of state will eventually make the decision on what vehicles shall be licensed and I doubt that he can dismiss the fact that WAVs don't suit all disabled people but saloons would probably suit most except Wheelchair bound passengers.

In respect of the DDA the decision is elementary, the Secretary of State is going to have to license both saloons and wavs but I would think all saloons would have to have a front passenger swivel seat.

The reason why he hasn't announced such a simple decision is because those councils that currently have conditions that only allow WAVs will have to comply with the Secretary of States decision and license saloons and that probably includes London as well as Manchester, Liverpool and everyone else, so you can see why the Secretary of state has a problem. My money is on him leaving it as it is and letting councils decide what to license, at first glance that appears to be his only get out card.

With respect to new legislation I would assume that the pco conditions of fitness would not be applicable outside of London.

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I really feel sorry for you JD..... when you do not understand what a discussion document is..... it is not the final draft.... now if it was the final draft I could understand where you're coming from.... but it is not.... do you understand what not means....... all you're doing is running round like a frightened little girl waving your arms in the air... you need to grow up..... or maybe not....


Perhaps you should reflect on your own words and then tell us if single drivers need to buy an operators license in order to take a private booking at home? Perhaps you can also tell us if single drivers have been left alone when they cant take a mobile phone booking out of their own area. You can also tell us if single drivers have been left alone when they can't take a phone booking inside their own area regardless of whether they are sat at home or on a taxi rank. You can also tell us why single drivers in London or Scotland won't be able to take a mobile phone booking when they venture across the border into England and Wales. You can also tell us why single drivers have been left alone when they won't be able to use systems such as taxi call because it will be illegal.

All this because you and your cronies would prefer hackney cab drivers to be shackled in the same way private hire drivers are shackled.

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If you had bothered to read it correctly...... you would have seen that the intention was to leave single drivers alone.


**Well you didn't do a very good job did you?**

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no Hackney Association nationally would agree to restrict their members in such a way.


You just have you dummy.

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it is a bit obvious really.


It is to us but apparently not to you and your cronies, and that is extremely disturbing.

Regards

JD

JD...ASBO... I don't know if you're becoming more childish or more stupid.... either way you've lost the plot.......

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With regards my views on a single tier system I think they are well established and I have written about them many times in the past but obviously you have a very short memory to go with your very short fuse. lol


Oh yeah .............. sorry I forgot .................its on page 1

http://www.instituteoflicensing.org/Pub ... 20Bill.ppt

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Another crucial aspect of new legislation should be the removal of taxi licensing from the hands of councillors in all 343 licensing areas in England and Wales.


and who will provide the admin and enforcement of the new legislation.

and who will staff this new authority.

Try making a list of Licence Fees and charges in every authority as you did for plate values ............... and for the areas you can't find out about just make up a figure, as you did for plate values.

Then when you have compiled your list take it somewhere quiet, look at the total amount of money you are talking about in each area and ask yourself "will this council be happy to lose this revenue".

Then take a deep breath and admit that the idea is garbage and you shouldn't have discussed it with anyone outside your own head.

honestly

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Why is it when times are Hard, some Jobsworth like James T. H. Button comes along and with no other Qualification than solicitor appears to think the great lineage of British Taxiing and Private Hire, Which has served us well for over a Century suddenly needs overhauling. Its not Broken so why Fix it....worse Still if its not Even Broken why change it for a newer model.


Is his Half Baked opinions Likely to be Taken seriously? should we All be worried?? Answers on a Post Card please.


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Why is it when times are Hard, some Jobsworth like James T. H. Button comes along and with no other Qualification than solicitor appears to think the great lineage of British Taxiing and Private Hire, Which has served us well for over a Century suddenly needs overhauling. Its not Broken so why Fix it....worse Still if its not Even Broken why change it for a newer model.


Is his Half Baked opinions Likely to be Taken seriously? should we All be worried?? Answers on a Post Card please.


=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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