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Admin and enforcement could be set up in a number of ways, the most logical would be to utilise existing infrastructure and staff complimented by an influx of new employees if needed. This brings into play the six regional traffic divisions.


I think most people are in favour of getting rid of councillors as regulators, after all, why do we need them? The ready made alternative is the existing structure of the Traffic Commissioners body. It already has the infrastructure and associated licensing enforcement and testing setup. It would be fairly straightforward to include Taxi licensing in that setup.

Does anyone disagree?

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how do you come to the conclusion that most people are in favour of getting rid of Councillors..... it only ever seems to be you and Sussex singing that particular song

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Thanks for that advice, I'll take it on board ............................ any chance of you either practicing what you preach, answering the questions or responding to the points raised.

B. Lucky :D


I always answer the points raised, if indeed they have a point and are not nonsensical repetitions of a redundant argument, which both you and MrT are famous for.

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So is it the case that the TC undertake all of the things that I listed earlier.

Is there a possibility that under their own policies they would consider it best practice to apply the same structure to anything they have responsibility for.

You brought in the TC to the debate claiming it to be the institution that would solve the trades problems .............. I like many others have continually pointed out that taking the licensing function to the TC would have a far more detrimental effect on our working practices and finances.

It doesn't suit your ideal so it should be rubbished ................. and referances to other subjects and debates are only included by yourself to avoid answering questions anyone has the cheek to make.

You'll get wrong off the others for starting this ................... waiting for continued delay followed by IP change.

B. Lucky :D

GA.... God loves a trier ...... JD is one of those people who is so fixated with himself and his meaningless arguments that no one else exists..... he only allows people to exist so he can continue with his fixation....... you must have met a few like him.... but not too many I hope..

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Brummie .... when you're referring to Ireland..... it would be beneficial if you stated how much a person has to pay for their licence..... whether it be a saloon Licence..... or whether it be WAV Licence...... from where I am sitting it looks very much as if they took the plate value away from the working man.................. and transferred it into their own government bank accounts.....


Not quite right Mr T.

In Ireland de-regulation became a major national political issue. The government set up a Taxi Hardship Panel & after placing national newspaper advertisements inviting plate holders, who had suffered extreme personal financial hardship, to apply for compensation, they did in fact pay out compensation based on individual economic loss. (Wonder if that was because of Irish or EU law???)

In OFT956 under the section;

Experience of Other Jurisdictions

Sub-section; Ireland

Paragraph E.66 reads;

One interesting issue is the compensation for previous licence holders. The deregulation effectively wiped out the second-hand value of the tradable licence plates. Certain licence holders suffered extreme personal financial hardship and, as a result, a Hardship Panel was established to consider the need for compensation, which did issue compensation to previous licence holders based on their individual economic loss. The Office of Taxi Regulator was also established following the de-restriction.

Also the document issued by the Irish government at the time is on this link;

http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/2879-0.pdf

It’s worth at least scanning through & especially the Conclusion on PDF page 28. Admittedly those that could not provide enough information, were not awarded compensation, but other received up to €15,000 per plate.

Any chance, do you think, we could have a bit of that, especially if in Ireland they were forced to do it because of EU law???

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The Institute of Licensing is a business not a government agency.

Refering to them in the same context as the government is misleading to those who know no different.

What these people did was gather your support to issues without you knowing who you were giving information to OR what they would do with it ................... and if they ever get the ear of the government they will claim that they have your full support.

Now you seem like a nice bloke Brummie and you do offer perspective particularly when describing issues locally to you .............. but don't be fooled these web pages are like every other with people wanting you to think your something that they are not .............. so they can F**K you.

They will agree with you and call you nice names until you start to uncover their real intentions .................... and then they'll claim that your lying and they at no point ever touched your b0ll0cks even though they tried to get a handfull ............... heard the story before?


I agree with what you have written, & I am not naive enough to think otherwise.

If the IoL get the ear of DfT of government, then perhaps the trade might be able to use them as a vehicle, who knows?

If they don't get the government's ear then, they & everyone else will have wasted their time on the issue.

But quite frankly the situation is more than critical from where I am standing.

There was a thread on this forum recently about some ex-LOs & ex-Police getting together & offering their services to LAs for prosecutions for plying, touting etc. That seems to have gone quiet. Anyone know the latest on this one?

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Brummie ..... I know about the compensation pathetic as it is.... but I think we have a crossed line here...... I am on about how much it costs a new driver to acquire a licence from the Irish government

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Brummie ..... I know about the compensation pathetic as it is.... but I think we have a crossed line here...... I am on about how much it costs a new driver to acquire a licence from the Irish government


Don't know & is this now?

Please advise.

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You should be able to find out.. click on to.... robbing bus*tards Irish Taxi licences

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And why exactly do private hire cars need a roof sign when they are pre-booked??

To ensure the correct customer gets into the correct licensed PH and not an un-licensed taxi. :wink:

Why PH/HC need proper signage
your argument is.... that if a convicted rapist was to drive a private hire car with a roof sign he would never attack a woman....... can't get my head round that one ..... :oops:


There is a lot of the argument the JD posse put forward that I can't get my head round ....................... but strangely the only place I hear $hit suggestions of this scale is on here and I have to say its only coming from 4 or 5 computers.

Still ................ never mind ................. answering questions or criticisms of the bull$hit is also something that never happens.

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Irish Statute Book, Statutory Instruments, S.I. No. 367/2000...
(a) the grant of a hackney licence,. (b) the grant of a limousine licence. 3. A fee of £5000 shall be payable in respect of the grant of a taxi licence. ...

www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/si/0367.html - 50k - Similar pages

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/si/0367.html

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http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/environmen ... nia407.htm

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£5000 for a FREE licence.

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Thanks for that advice, I'll take it on board ............................ any chance of you either practicing what you preach, answering the questions or responding to the points raised.

B. Lucky :D


I always answer the points raised, if indeed they have a point and are not nonsensical repetitions of a redundant argument, which both you and MrT are famous for.

Regards

JD


SO where is the response to my question, I'll put it another way just in case you don't understand the other.

1. Do the TC have a policy of requiring DAILY VEHICLE CHECK RECORDS, 3 MONTHLY VEHICLE TESTING (ON SOME VEHICLES), VEHICLE SERVICE HISTORY RECORDS, REGULATED DRIVER HOURS and SPEED RESTRICTORS?

2. Is it usual for a agency such as the TC to impliment policies to all the services they are responsible for?

any chance of these being answered as you suggest you actually do answer questions.

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I always answer the points raised, if indeed they have a point and are not nonsensical repetitions of a redundant argument, which both you and MrT are famous for.


SO where is the response to my question, I'll put it another way just in case you don't understand the other.

1. Do the TC have a policy of requiring DAILY VEHICLE CHECK RECORDS, 3 MONTHLY VEHICLE TESTING (ON SOME VEHICLES), VEHICLE SERVICE HISTORY RECORDS, REGULATED DRIVER HOURS and SPEED RESTRICTORS?

2. Is it usual for a agency such as the TC to impliment policies to all the services they are responsible for?

any chance of these being answered as you suggest you actually do answer questions.

B. Lucky :D


If new Taxi legislation was ever introduced it could conceivably take any course of administration. However regardless of how that administration is formulated the taxi trade will be governed by new legislation and not legislation or administration that currently applies to other forms of transport.

If for arguments sake the DfT deemed the best option of administration would be to set up a new collective administrative body within the existing transport infrastructure with legislation overseen by a Traffic commissioner or someone similar then what makes you ASSUME that new legislation will mirror existing legislation, especially that which applies to buses?

You make the most infantile observations by concluding that Transport Commissioners make their own legislation when in fact all they do is administer it. The legislation is set out by the Government and the same would apply with new taxi legislation but at least you are showing your consistency of being a complete imbecile.
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I suggest you read what I said about nonsensical repetition and redundant arguments.

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I assume that if new legislation is formed, and I doubt it will be, that part of the basis for forming that legislation would include government policies.

If that were the case then the legislation would take into account the Local and National Transport Plans in which we are supposidly viewed as part of an intregated pubic transport system .................. and that means the same as busses, trains and the rest of the others.

On that basis, it would make sense to, if this ever came to fruition, have the industry as a whole controlled by the same agency or authority ............... and that would be the TC.

Many people have pointed out the detrimental points of being controlled by the TC ........... but as usual you take no notice and continue with your quest regardless.

The answer is very simple ............. and has been put forward within this thread.

Qualifications for Licensing Officers.
Qualifications for Enforcement Officers.
Qualifications for PH Operators.
Qualifications for HC & PH drivers.

All to nationally recognised standards.

I would also add -

The repeal of the sections of the 76 and 85 Acts relating to HC or PH.
The rolling out of the London Private Hire Act nationally.
Re-introducing the 1847 Act as written but with the language updated.

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Irish Statute Book, Statutory Instruments, S.I. No. 367/2000...
(a) the grant of a hackney licence,. (b) the grant of a limousine licence. 3. A fee of £5000 shall be payable in respect of the grant of a taxi licence. ...

www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/si/0367.html - 50k - Similar pages

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2000/en/si/0367.html


Personally, I see absolutely nothing wrong with those fees.

Anyone coming into the trade & paying those sort of fees is showing commitment. At the moment you can get into this trade, & I include HC & PH for the princely sum of thrupence farthing (with notable exceptions).

Coupled with the existing CRB, local knowledge, Btec/NVQ, conversation assessments, language skills assessments, arithmetical competence assessments, personal hygiene assessments, minimum standard of dress & appearance etc, etc, I don't see the problem in having a realistic fee for entry into the trade.

Bring it on, I say!!!

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