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I wonder ............... remembering that the Institute of Licensing seems to be made up of Licensing Officers ................ whether they will risk their jobs with the local authority by backing Sussex and the others who make up JD in their quest to remove PH from existance and also remove the power from the same local authorities.

Or do these people believe that in a "new" licensing structure they could demand more money ..................... if that is the case then I believe they will also seek to do less for that money.

Sorry like ....................... but the more this goes on the more I feel we are been taken on a ride by some ................... and the purpose of that ride is for them to secure their futures .................... on the back of the good old PH and HC drivers AGAIN.

Hanging would be to good for these cretins.

Loads of rhetoric but still no policies. Other than changing what we have got to what we have got. [-(

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Then imagine the NTA, NPHA, NATLEO and NPHA going in suggesting something differently, probably to each other but more likely against little old Sussex boys suggestions.

Do you think that lot would worry me anymore than the likes of you. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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I wonder ............... remembering that the Institute of Licensing seems to be made up of Licensing Officers ................ whether they will risk their jobs with the local authority by backing Sussex and the others who make up JD in their quest to remove PH from existance and also remove the power from the same local authorities.

Or do these people believe that in a "new" licensing structure they could demand more money ..................... if that is the case then I believe they will also seek to do less for that money.

Sorry like ....................... but the more this goes on the more I feel we are been taken on a ride by some ................... and the purpose of that ride is for them to secure their futures .................... on the back of the good old PH and HC drivers AGAIN.

Hanging would be to good for these cretins.

Loads of rhetoric but still no policies. Other than changing what we have got to what we have got. [-(


Where are your policies Suspect Boy ................. you can't just keep telling people they are wrong without offering something yourself ................. however if its a brief outline of what I would like to see I will gladly provide it for you.

Properly Trained and Qualified Drivers to a National Standard.

Properly Trained and Qualified Licensing Officers to a National Standard.

Properly Trained and Qualified Enforcement Officers to a National Standard.

All HC WAV working to defined legislation.

PH working to defined legislation.

HC vehicles working circuits ONLY using HC ........ no PH.

PH vehicles working circuits ONLY using PH ......... no HC.

HC ONLY to use the word TAXI within any trading name or advert.

PH to clearly define that they are a PRE BOOKING ONLY facility.

Clear defined markings to both HC and PH to a National Standard.

Restrictions on all Licenses, thats driver, vehicle and operator, HC and PH with surveys conducted every 3 years to ensure the correct levels are maintained.

Each Police Authority to ensure a properly briefed "Taxi" squad are on patrol every weekend night supported by regular patrols in every town and City.

Taxi Marshalls at every adopted rank.

CCTV in every licensed vehicle.

I could go on .................. but I don't want to re-write the Act for you and the rest of the JD group.

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Then imagine the NTA, NPHA, NATLEO and NPHA going in suggesting something differently, probably to each other but more likely against little old Sussex boys suggestions.

Do you think that lot would worry me anymore than the likes of you. :lol: :lol: :lol:


I know I worry you ............ obviously in a "debating points sense" cause you always answer my questions with questions and when the thread gets sticky you just leave it for a week and then get involved again later on a different point.

Massive amounts of new items always appear when the going gets tough to get the topic off the first page.

I would conveniently go away on holiday ............... or better still say you've actually been away and your son has been messing about using your username. ......................... sorry thats been done before hasn't it.

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GA. first you have to play with people's minds..... when I say people I mean the Taxi and private hire trade...... you have to convince them that there is a need for a new act..... instead of just fixing the bits that are slightly bent....... brainwashing..... :cry:


Being sceptical.... I might say.... what better way than a taxi forum... :lol:


I have never met an honest man who wouldn't tell me or lied about his name.

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HC vehicles working circuits ONLY using HC ........ no PH.

PH vehicles working circuits ONLY using PH ......... no HC.

Why? :?

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Properly Trained and Qualified Drivers to a National Standard.

Properly Trained and Qualified Licensing Officers to a National Standard.

Properly Trained and Qualified Enforcement Officers to a National Standard.

So councils don't know best anymore. :shock:

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All HC WAV working to defined legislation.

PH working to defined legislation.

What are they working to at the moment then? :?

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HC ONLY to use the word TAXI within any trading name or advert.

Isn't that the case at present?

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CCTV in every licensed vehicle.

I most certainly agree with that, but FFS don't tell your mate Mr Scanner. :-$

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Sussex wrote:
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HC vehicles working circuits ONLY using HC ........ no PH.

PH vehicles working circuits ONLY using PH ......... no HC.

Why? :?


To properly define the different services provided by either code.

Leading to public awareness NOT public confusion.

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Sussex wrote:
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Properly Trained and Qualified Drivers to a National Standard.

Properly Trained and Qualified Licensing Officers to a National Standard.

Properly Trained and Qualified Enforcement Officers to a National Standard.

So councils don't know best anymore. :shock:


Councils know best .............. is never whats been argued .............. councils are best placed to decide local issues is whats been argued.

The thing is Sussex .............. and we've said this before .............. just because you have a problem doesn't mean the rest of the country has a problem.

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HC ONLY to use the word TAXI within any trading name or advert.

Isn't that the case at present?


No ....................... every PH firm in the country is allowed to call their business ******** TAXIS providing they have a single HC working on their system.

I believe this adds to public confusion.

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Councils know best.


I was under the impression the consumer knows best. Then again if you don't consult the public your not likely to know what suits them best.

We know why councillors in the 19 or so restricted authorities that use the PCO conditions of fitness to restrict vehicle types have never asked the public what type of vehicle they prefer or if indeed they want restrictions on numbers to remain, is because councillors think they know best therefore there is no need to consult the public, how strange?

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councils are best placed to decide local issues is whats been argued.


I suppose in that sense you are saying "councillors know best", isn't that exactly what Sussex is saying?

I find it interesting how a council that has never asked the public what they prefer can be in the best position to decide what is best for those who it has never consulted? I also find the inference that councils are best placed to decide what is best for the public when one minute they have a policy of only allowing vehicles with a 25 foot turning circle to be licensed and the next minute they allow any vehicle to be licensed?

It would appear that any council who changed their policy from A to B must have concluded that policy A was not in the best interest of the public and therefore they obviously weren't best placed to decide in the first place, especially without consulting the public.

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No ....................... every PH firm in the country is allowed to call their business ******** TAXIS providing they have a single HC working on their system.

I believe this adds to public confusion.


I think nearly everyone on TDO will agree that it doesn't make any difference what you do in respect of the word "Taxi" because the public have already made up their mind and consider both "private hire" and "hackney carriages" to be "taxis".

Outlawing the name "Taxi" from private hire business advertising might make a lot of people in the hackney carriage trade happy but it won't alter the public's impression that private hire are also taxis.

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