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In response to JD......I understand the booking comes from Malta.

But they are advertising, or procuring work, in England and Wales.

And are customers ringing Malta? :?

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In response to JD......I understand the booking comes from Malta.

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Are you serious? lol

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In response to JD......I understand the booking comes from Malta.

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Are you serious? lol

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Yes, the calls to come from Malta.

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(and happy New Year by the way)

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In response to JD......I understand the booking comes from Malta.

But they are advertising, or procuring work, in England and Wales.

And are customers ringing Malta? :?


I dont know.....but calls are booked from Malta.

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captain cab wrote:
In response to JD......I understand the booking comes from Malta.

But they are advertising, or procuring work, in England and Wales.

And are customers ringing Malta? :?


I dont know.....but calls are booked from Malta.

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Surely it's still illegal it maybe a little harder to prosecute but as I said before close them down and let them fight you to re-open

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I thought they sub contract work out to firms

Being the same as language schools or any company


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I dont know.....but calls are booked from Malta.

But their procuring/inviting website address is;

Fraser Eagle I.T,
Fraser Eagle I.T,
Technology Management Centre,
St James Square,
Accrington,
Lancashire,
BB5 0RE, UK


And the page dealing with taxis says;

This is more than just a taxi ordering service, though.

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Sussex wrote:

And the page dealing with taxis says;

This is more than just a taxi ordering service, though.


Yeah, they hammer the taxi company for price and then they dont pay their bills. :roll:

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Just so I can get me head around this can somebody tell me if I understand it right.

If a booking company sends either one of it's own PH/HC or some other company's or sole trader HC on a booking outside it's licenced area that's legal. If they are however just taking bookings then passing them on to other PH companies to cover outside the booking companys licenced area that is illegal. So the likes of Addison Lee run a legal op because they use their own vehicles but Frazer Eagle, Cabfind, taxibank etc don't. If that is the case and so balantly advertised why aren't the LA's in the areas that these companies are not doing anything about it?

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toots... how many licensing officers have access to the business accounts of private hire companies... or hackney companies

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toots wrote:
Just so I can get me head around this can somebody tell me if I understand it right.

If a booking company sends either one of it's own PH/HC or some other company's or sole trader HC on a booking outside it's licenced area that's legal. If they are however just taking bookings then passing them on to other PH companies to cover outside the booking companys licenced area that is illegal. So the likes of Addison Lee run a legal op because they use their own vehicles but Frazer Eagle, Cabfind, taxibank etc don't. If that is the case and so balantly advertised why aren't the LA's in the areas that these companies are not doing anything about it?


JD and Sussex have written a considerable amount on this and there are a number of court cases which have been highlighted by JD (Bromsgrove vs. Powers and the Rendall one).

You mention addison lee which is a London based PH operator......under the London PH act a London based PH operator can lawfully pass a PH booking to his provincial counterpart.....however under the 1976 act a provincial PH operator cannot do similar.

I am not sure about taxibank....they are based in Plymouth and that has its own local act.....it may well be completely legal in view of that.

As JD has pointed out in another thread there appears to be no court cases concerning a mere booking agency......as Sussex will concur there is a real danger of 'the big boys' taking over and not operating a single vehicle driver or have any investment at all......they will make a fortune on the backs of the taxi and private hire trades.

The argument with the likes of Fraser Eagle is quite complicated.....the PH operator in an area who is accepting their work will say their contract is with FE......FE are the ones being invoiced and who will pay the bill.

Of course, as Sussex has pointed out FE are actively going for PH and taxi work.....and the 76 act section 80 clearly defines "operate" as in the course of business to make provision for the invitation or acceptance of bookings for a private hire vehicle. The argument being that they are making invitation by advertising their business as one that can obtain taxis.

The problem is in my view two fold......if they are taking bookings for PHV's then thats illegal......however if they are taking bookings for taxis that is?

Of course the major problem is that they (FE) aren't paying their bills!

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The problem is in my view two fold......if they are taking bookings for PHV's then thats illegal......however if they are taking bookings for taxis that is?

Well if they are offering a taxi service on the Internet, then they are, IMO, in breach of trading standards law if they then supply a PH.

But the biggest problem they have is working in the cooperate side of the trade when that section is collapsing.

When I say they, I really mean the taxi/PH firms doing work and not getting paid, and continuing to do the work. :shock:

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If the bookings are taken by a website in Malta, they may be beyond the reach of the 1976 act.

Anyone know what Maltese law is on this?

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IIRC, from the early 1990s, the vehicles in Malta marked 'taxi' probably got the 't' and some parts from one vehicle, the 'a' and other parts from another vehicle, a third lot of parts and the 'x' were original (The 'x' also meaning condemned!!). The 'I' came along when you shouted into the nearest bar 'Who owns this piece of sh!t? Will you take me to Valletta?'....

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If the bookings are taken by a website in Malta, they may be beyond the reach of the 1976 act.

Anyone know what Maltese law is on this?


But the company has a base in England too.

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