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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 7:52 pm 
Alex wrote:
CABBIES FACE BOOT OVER WHEELCHAIRS

Taxi drivers in Bristol who are not fit enough to lift wheelchair-bound passengers into their cars could have their licences taken away. The city council wants disabled people to have equal access to taxis in Bristol and is set to introduce wheelchair loading tests as part of drivers' medical assessments, which they must pass before they can work in the city.

All hackney carriage taxis in Bristol must be wheelchair accessible by 2008 to meet new disability discrimination rules set down by the Government.

Taxi drivers can currently refuse to take passengers who are in wheelchairs on the grounds of their own medical condition.

Tomorrow, the council's licensing committee will meet to consider whether the new wheelchair test should be applied just to new applicants' medical assessments or to both new and existing drivers.

It could mean that current drivers who fail the test, or who refuse to take it, will be barred from working in Bristol.

The plans have angered drivers, who say some people have genuine reasons for refusing to take passengers in wheelchairs.

Mike Maddock, an independent taxi driver in Bristol for 36 years, said many drivers did not have the strength to lift wheelchair passengers, and described the council's plans as "ridiculous".

He said: "When you see ambulances and special transport for people in wheelchairs, there are always two people to lift them, but there's only one person driving a taxi.

"For some drivers, they cannot do it on their own. What would happen if they were called to a wheelchair passenger who weighed 20 stone? They would not be able to lift them or even push them up a ramp. It's a ridiculous idea. What the council should do is make 50 per cent of taxis wheelchair accessible."

David Massey, chairman of the Association of Bristol Cab Drivers, said in a written response to the council that devising a fair test to suit all applicants would be "extremely difficult".

He said: "Whilst broadly we agree that wheelchair users should be able to secure the use of a suitable wheelchair-accessible vehicle, we strongly believe that drivers with genuine medical reasons for not doing wheelchair work are not the problem."

John Olver, spokesman for Bristol-based service Tripscope, which advises disabled people who have problems using transport, welcomed the plans.

He said: "The problem with the business of accessible taxis is the piecemeal way it is being done across the country, that each local authority has been asked to make its own arrangements.

"Part of the problem is not how accessible taxis are but also how easy it is to put the disabled person into the taxi."

In its report to members, council licensing officers said the committee could decide what action, if any, should be taken against existing drivers who fail the wheelchair test or refuse to take it. Drivers who say they are unfit to carry wheelchair passengers could see their licence period reduced while they face further medical assessments.


Whats the source of this information?

Best wishes

JD


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2004 8:29 pm 
Alex wrote:
CABBIES FACE BOOT OVER WHEELCHAIRS

Taxi drivers in Bristol who are not fit enough to lift wheelchair-bound passengers into their cars could have their licences taken away.


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Whats the source of this information?

Best wishes

JD


It's ok I found it.

http://www.bristol-city.gov.uk/committe ... 0602_9.pdf

Best wishes

John Davies


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:55 am 
redd wrote:
if you check your insurance, you will find you are not covered for loading and unloading wheelchairs!
the passenger can make a claim against you but as for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tough luck! so why should we load and unload them then?


redd.............

that is bullshit

if your insurance does not cover you you should not be on the road.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 2:19 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
I hope there would be a better attitude,than what we are finding in Dundee.

Was told the lads that were doing this job prior to the opening of the trade
are still busy enough and have managed to keep their regulars.
Probably their customers know the ass----s,that are coming into the trade
are useless.
One a month,how hard worked.

JimJam.


Let's face it, the vast majority of the saloon trade wouldn't touch the wheelchair work with a bargepole. Only a handful of 'the willing' managed to keep the wheelchair-bound moving.

So it's a bit rich to criticise the new WAV drivers, who are probably no more enthusiastic about the wheelchair work than the old saloon drivers, but the difference is that the new lot are forced to do it.

With having to run more expensive and unattractive vehicles while others sit around in saloons and effectively avoid the wheelchair work, it isn't surprising that some of the WAV drivers are unenthusiastic about it.

And one job a month is certainly more than the saloon drivers will be doing!!


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:31 pm 
Anonymous wrote:
a council has the right to decide the standard of medical with or without dda.
we as a trade can do well without the swinging of the lead, which is what you are after.

I am all fir helping out with a sickie for a couple of weeks after that, either they do the job or they are incapacitated

we can do well without you saying Bristol will be out of order when they wont

Jesus christ whats the p[oint in investing in new fleets if the disabled cannot still have a cab?

you are off your rocker man.


I repeat, what was said earlier was not an opinion on the merit of the proposal, but an honest outline of the relevant law - you seem to be ignoring the difference between a value judgment on the issue and an unpredjudiced statement of fact. Who said I was after 'swinging the lead'?

On a literal reading of the legislation, there may indeed be some mileage in what you say.

But the nonsense is that this could lead to one area allowing a driver with a back problem (say) to be exempt from wheelchair work, while in another he will either have to endure the pain or accept the risk of injury.

Whatever way we view the issue, surely we should all agree that inconsistency like this is nonsense, but then again this is merely symtomatic of licensing generally, and in relation to WAVs in particular.

It's also a bit contradictory that the Act envisages very prescriptive measures in relation to vehicle spec and driver duties, but then effectively gives LAs carte blanche in relation to the fitness or otherwise of drives for the job, if your view is correct.

You are correct in questioning why money should be invested in new fleets while the disabled can't have a cab - one of the big nonsenses that was evident when the Act was passed was that there would be no exemptions from running a WAV, but on the other hand the Act clearly envisages exemptions for drivers.

But that's the Act that allows that, not me, so I don't think this makes me 'off my rocker' :)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:18 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
As the law allows exemptions to those unable to load wheelchairs, provided they have a doctors note, I feel it's a bit rich Bristol council making their own statutes up.


Bristol arnt making up thier own statutes they are ensuring drivers are medically fit, and thats thier job.

if you cannot do a duty then you should not have to

medical exemption indeed.


This is my very first post on this subject and it will probably be my last. In response to some of the points raised I would justy like to point out
a few observations.

I suppose there are many different levels of medical fitness just as there are different shapes and sizes of the population. Here in Manchester we used to have a driver who only had one hand. We also have some women licensed who weigh no more than 8 or 9 stone. Would it be reasonable to perhaps put these ladies health at risk by asking them to push and manoeuvre a wheelchair with a heavy occupant who is perhaps twice their bodyweight?

How accountable should a driver be if a wheelchair passenger has a self inflicting accident while travelling alone in the back of the cab? Under the circumstances should a driver be allowed to refuse a wheelchair passenger or any other vulnerable person for that matter travelling alone without supervision?

I believe the legal grounds for refusing to carry vulnerable unaccompanied passengers has yet to be tested in a court of law but I have no doubt that sooner or later it will.

With regard to the Bristol Licensing officers interpretation of the phrase "Fit and proper" it would seem that he is trying to draw an inference that the 1847 wording of Fit can somehow be associated with the term Fit as in Medical Fitness.

The phraseology of the 1847 act as adopted by the 1976 act has nothing whatsoever to do with Medical fitness.

The words “Fit and Proper” in the meaning of the 1847 act refer to a persons character, not their medical fitness. Perhaps if they had the DD.ACT and wheelchair accessible vehicles back in 1847 things might have been a little different. However, I believe a court would look at the meaning and the intention of the 1847 act and not at how some licensing officer in Bristol might wish to interpret it.

I noticed Bristol were a bit shy in defining a maximum weight of what a driver should reasonably be expected to push.

Here in Manchester we don’t need to be coerced into supplying wheelchair accessible vehicles because we licence nothing but. However, for those who dislike the time consumption and inconvenience of carrying wheelchair bound passengers they will probably say that “you can take a Horse to Water but you can’t make it drink”.

Best wishes

JD


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:35 am 
very helpful very helpful

if you are in court on the day of the test case, and a judge comes out as big as ironside in his wheelchair, give me an opinion of the likely outcome please.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:01 am 
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It all boils down to whether you think a chap with years of experience should be booted out of the trade because he has a bad back.

I happen to believe he shouldn't.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:33 am 
Anonymous wrote:
very helpful very helpful

if you are in court on the day of the test case, and a judge comes out as big as ironside in his wheelchair, give me an opinion of the likely outcome please.


do they have any judges south of the border in a wheelchair?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:06 am 
Sussex wrote:
It all boils down to whether you think a chap with years of experience should be booted out of the trade because he has a bad back.

I happen to believe he shouldn't.



Ihave just been round a company called O and C Harrison, they build specialist vehicles, including ambulances welfare buses and wheelchair accessibles.

they had in just, going out to a customer doblo vehicles with a tail lift.
I will get a price late today they looked very roomy but only had 3 passenger seats, will have to ask if they can get a fourth in.

very nice indeed.

whether they could carry a sumo wrestler in a wheelchair I dont know

so lads its all to play for the vehicles are on the market as they should be approaching the 21st century.

you lot dont get about enough, or is it just that you need excuses?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:27 pm 
Even local customers think it's a daft condition.
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayN ... K=11021075


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 4:55 pm 
They are not being asked to lift them, they are being asked to push them up a little ramp into the Taxi, if you have a E7 it's a steep ramp.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:29 pm 
If you cannot handle the job,get out the trade.
Anyone can put obsticals for not doing this,not doing that.
Let the whole of UK be open for H.C. and the ones not wanting to work the wheelchair trade,put on a PH.
Fed up of you whingers.

Realistic Ronnie.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:10 am 
so am I


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:49 am 
Anonymous wrote:
If you cannot handle the job,get out the trade.
Anyone can put obsticals for not doing this,not doing that.
Let the whole of UK be open for H.C. and the ones not wanting to work the wheelchair trade,put on a PH.
Fed up of you whingers.

Realistic Ronnie.
I will be sitting outside your office tomorrow in my wheelchair, all 20 stone of me and hoping my tyreshave not gone flat, we'll see who winges then when I say I am only making a short journey :lol: :lol: :lol:


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