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PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:45 am 
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Sussex wrote:
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Ive another question, if it all goes through what is the time span for every Taxi or PH to conform to any new rules..is it Months, Years or Decades?

In my opinion it could be a just a few years for the hackney side of our trade, and never for the PH side of our trade.


I hope your right... :?


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The whole thing about this act seems to stink to high heaven.

People who are ignorant of licensing law making ammendments about something they dont understand.

The way I see it is that the equality bill will go through whether the taxi and private hire trade like it or not.

They know what the Oxley report said and that will be overcome by making PH have WAV's.

Inceidentally, the way they have kept the taxi and PH trades at bay, DFT in the dark and the speed of this really does suggest this time next Christmas we will have a very different taxi trade.

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captain cab wrote:
Inceidentally, the way they have kept the taxi and PH trades at bay, DFT in the dark and the speed of this really does suggest this time next Christmas we will have a very different taxi trade.

I bet you a tenner it ain't going to be no different to than what we have at present. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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Inceidentally, the way they have kept the taxi and PH trades at bay, DFT in the dark and the speed of this really does suggest this time next Christmas we will have a very different taxi trade.

I bet you a tenner it ain't going to be no different to than what we have at present. :wink:


I agree that nothing will change.Even if it did happen, the opportunity for the vehicle conversion companies to sell thousands of new vehicles will result in making these vehicle more affordable to drivers.


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PART 12

PERSONS: TRANSPORT

CHAPTER 1

TAXIS ETC.

159 Taxi accessibility regulations

(1) The Secretary of State may make regulations (in this Chapter referred to as

“taxi accessibility regulations”) for securing that it is possible for disabled

persons—

(a) to get into and out of taxis in safety;

(b) to do so while in wheelchairs;

(c) to travel in taxis in safety and reasonable comfort;

(d) to do so while in wheelchairs.

(2) The regulations may, in particular, require a regulated taxi to conform with

provision as to—

(a) the size of a door opening for the use of passengers;

(b) the floor area of the passenger compartment;

(c) the amount of headroom in the passenger compartment;

(d) the fitting of restraining devices designed to ensure the stability of a

wheelchair while the taxi is moving.

(3) The regulations may also—

(a) require the driver of a regulated taxi which is plying for hire, or which

has been hired, to comply with provisions as to the carrying of ramps

or other devices designed to facilitate the loading and unloading of

wheelchairs;


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(b) require the driver of a regulated taxi in which a disabled person is being

carried while in a wheelchair to comply with provisions as to the

position in which the wheelchair is to be secured.

(4) The driver of a regulated taxi which is plying for hire or has been hired

commits an offence—

(a) by failing to comply with a requirement of the regulations, or

(b) if the taxi fails to conform with any provision of the regulations with

which it is required to conform.

(5) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (4) is liable, on summary

conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(6) In this section—

“passenger compartment” has such meaning as is specified in taxi

accessibility regulations;

“regulated taxi” means a taxi to which taxi accessibility regulations are

expressed to apply.

160 Designated transport facilities

(1) The appropriate authority may by regulations provide for the application of

any taxi provision (with or without modification) to—

(a) vehicles used for the provision of services under a franchise agreement,

or

(b) drivers of such vehicles.

(2) A franchise agreement is a contract entered into by the operator of a designated

transport facility for the provision, by the other party to the contract, of hire car

services—

(a) for members of the public using any part of the facility, and

(b) which involve vehicles entering any part of the facility.

(3) In this section—

“appropriate authority” means—

(a) in relation to transport facilities in England and Wales, the

Secretary of State;

(b) in relation to transport facilities in Scotland, the Scottish

Ministers;

“designated” means designated by order made by the appropriate

authority;

“hire car” has such meaning as is specified in regulations made by the

appropriate authority;

“operator”, in relation to a transport facility, means a person who is

concerned with the management or operation of the facility;

“taxi provision” means a provision of—

(a) this Chapter, or

(b) regulations made in pursuance of section 20(2A) of the Civic

Government (Scotland) Act 1982,

which applies in relation to taxis or drivers of taxis;

“transport facility” means premises which form part of a port, airport,

railway station or bus station.





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(4) For the purposes of section 2(2) of the European Communities Act 1972

(implementation of Community obligations), the Secretary of State may

exercise a power conferred by this section on the Scottish Ministers.

161 Taxi licence conditional on compliance with taxi accessibility regulations

(1) A licence for a taxi to ply for hire must not be granted unless the vehicle

conforms with the provisions of taxi accessibility regulations with which a

vehicle is required to conform if it is licensed.

(2) Subsection (1) does not apply if a licence is in force in relation to the vehicle at

any time during the period of 28 days immediately before the day on which the

licence is granted.

(3) The Secretary of State may by order provide for subsection (2) to cease to have

effect on a specified date.

(4) The power under subsection (3) may be exercised differently for different areas

or localities.

162 Exemption from taxi accessibility regulations

(1) The Secretary of State may by regulations provide for a relevant licensing

authority to apply for an order (an “exemption order”) exempting the authority

from the requirements of section 161.

(2) Regulations under subsection (1) may, in particular, make provision requiring

an authority proposing to apply for an exemption order—

(a) to carry out such consultation as is specified;

(b) to publish its proposals in the specified manner;

(c) before applying for the order, to consider representations made about

the proposal;

(d) to make the application in the specified form.

In this subsection “specified” means specified in the regulations.

(3) An authority may apply for an exemption order only if it is satisfied—

(a) that, having regard to the circumstances in its area, it is inappropriate

for section 161 to apply, and

(b) that the application of that section would result in an unacceptable

reduction in the number of taxis in its area.

(4) After consulting the Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee and

such other persons as the Secretary of State thinks appropriate, the Secretary of

State may—

(a) make an exemption order in the terms of the application for the order;

(b) make an exemption order in such other terms as the Secretary of State

thinks appropriate;

(c) refuse to make an exemption order.

(5) The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision requiring a taxi

plying for hire in an area in respect of which an exemption order is in force to

conform with provisions of the regulations as to the fitting and use of swivel

seats.

(6) Regulations under subsection (5) may make provision corresponding to

section 161.





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(7) In this section—

“relevant licensing authority” means an authority responsible for

licensing taxis in any area of England and Wales other than the area to

which the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act 1869 applies;

“swivel seats” has such meaning as is specified in regulations under

subsection (5).

163 Passengers in wheelchairs

(1) This section imposes duties on the driver of a designated taxi which has been

hired—

(a) by or for a disabled person who is in a wheelchair, or

(b) by another person who wishes to be accompanied by a disabled person

who is in a wheelchair.

(2) This section also imposes duties on the driver of a designated private hire

vehicle, if a person within paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1) has indicated

to the driver that he or she wishes to travel in the vehicle.

(3) For the purposes of this section—

(a) a taxi or private hire vehicle is “designated” if it appears on a list

maintained under section 165;

(b) “the passenger” means the disabled person concerned.

(4) The duties are—

(a) to carry the passenger while in the wheelchair;

(b) not to make any additional charge for doing so;

(c) if the passenger chooses to sit in a passenger seat, to carry the

wheelchair;

(d) to take such steps as are necessary to ensure that the passenger is

carried in safety and reasonable comfort;

(e) to give the passenger such mobility assistance as is reasonably

required.

(5) Mobility assistance is assistance—

(a) to enable the passenger to get into or out of the vehicle;

(b) if the passenger wishes to remain in the wheelchair, to enable the

passenger to get into and out of the vehicle while in the wheelchair;

(c) to load the passenger’s luggage into or out of the vehicle;

(d) if the passenger does not wish to remain in the wheelchair, to load the

wheelchair into or out of the vehicle.

(6) This section does not require the driver—

(a) unless the vehicle is of a description specified in regulations made by

the Secretary of State, to carry more than one person in a wheelchair, or

more than one wheelchair, on any one journey;

(b) to carry a person in circumstances in which it would otherwise be

lawful for the driver to refuse to carry the person.

(7) A driver of a designated taxi or designated private hire vehicle commits an

offence by failing to comply with a duty imposed on the driver by this section.

(8) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (7) is liable on summary

conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.





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(9) It is a defence for a person charged with the offence to show that at the time of

the alleged offence—

(a) the vehicle conformed to the accessibility requirements which applied

to it, but

(b) it would not have been possible for the wheelchair to be carried safely

in the vehicle.

(10) In this section and sections 164 and 165 “private hire vehicle” means—

(a) a vehicle licensed under section 48 of the Local Government

(Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976;

(b) a vehicle licensed under section 7 of the Private Hire Vehicles (London)

Act 1998;

(c) a vehicle licensed under an equivalent provision of a local enactment;

(d) a private hire car licensed under section 10 of the Civic Government

(Scotland) Act 1982.

164 Passengers in wheelchairs: exemption certificates

(1) A licensing authority must issue a person with a certificate exempting the

person from the duties imposed by section 163 (an “exemption certificate”) if

satisfied that it is appropriate to do so—

(a) on medical grounds, or

(b) on the ground that the person’s physical condition makes it impossible

or unreasonably difficult for the person to comply with those duties.

(2) An exemption certificate is valid for such period as is specified in the

certificate.

(3) The driver of a designated taxi is exempt from the duties imposed by section

163 if—

(a) an exemption certificate issued to the driver is in force, and

(b) the prescribed notice of the exemption is exhibited on the taxi in the

prescribed manner.

(4) The driver of a designated private hire vehicle is exempt from the duties

imposed by section 163 if—

(a) an exemption certificate issued to the driver is in force, and

(b) the prescribed notice of the exemption is exhibited on the vehicle in the

prescribed manner.

(5) For the purposes of this section a taxi or private hire vehicle is “designated” if

it appears on a list maintained under section 165.

(6) In this section and section 165 “licensing authority”, in relation to any area,

means the authority responsible for licensing taxis or, as the case may be,

private hire vehicles in that area.

165 Lists of wheelchair-accessible vehicles

(1) For the purposes of section 163 a licensing authority may maintain a list of

vehicles falling within subsection (2).

(2) A vehicle falls within this subsection if—

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(b) it conforms to such accessibility requirements as the licensing authority

thinks fit.

(3) A licensing authority in England and Wales may, if it thinks fit, decide that a

vehicle may be included on a list maintained under this section only if it is

being used, or is to be used, by the holder of a special licence under that licence.

(4) A licensing authority in Scotland may include a vehicle on a list maintained

under this section only if it is being used, or is to be used, by the holder of a

special licence under that licence.

(5) In subsections (3) and (4) “special licence” has the meaning given by section 12

of the Transport Act 1985 (use of taxis or hire cars in providing local services).

(6) “Accessibility requirements” are requirements for securing that it is possible

for disabled persons in wheelchairs—

(a) to get into and out of vehicles in safety, and

(b) to travel in vehicles in safety and reasonable comfort,

either staying in their wheelchairs or not (depending on which they prefer).

(7) The Secretary of State may issue guidance to licensing authorities as to—

(a) the accessibility requirements which they should apply for the

purposes of this section;

(b) any other aspect of their functions under or by virtue of this section.

(8) A licensing authority which maintains a list under subsection (1) must have

regard to any guidance issued under subsection (7).

166 Assistance dogs in taxis

(1) This section imposes duties on the driver of a taxi which has been hired—

(a) by or for a disabled person who is accompanied by an assistance dog, or

(b) by another person who wishes to be accompanied by a disabled person

with an assistance dog.

(2) The driver must—

(a) carry the disabled person’s dog and allow it to remain with that person;

(b) not make any additional charge for doing so.

(3) The driver of a taxi commits an offence by failing to comply with a duty

imposed by this section.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable to a fine not exceeding

level 3 on the standard scale.

167 Assistance dogs in taxis: exemption certificates

(1) A licensing authority must issue a person with a certificate exempting the

person from the duties imposed by section 166 (an “exemption certificate”) if

satisfied that it is appropriate to do so on medical grounds.

(2) In deciding whether to issue an exemption certificate the authority must have

regard, in particular, to the physical characteristics of the taxi which the person

drives or those of any kind of taxi in relation to which the person requires the

certificate.

(3) An exemption certificate is valid—





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(a) in respect of a specified taxi or a specified kind of taxi;

(b) for such period as is specified in the certificate.

(4) The driver of a taxi is exempt from the duties imposed by section 166 if—

(a) an exemption certificate issued to the driver is in force with respect to

the taxi, and

(b) the prescribed notice of the exemption is exhibited on the taxi in the

prescribed manner.

The power to make regulations under paragraph (b) is exercisable by the

Secretary of State.

(5) In this section “licensing authority” means—

(a) in relation to the area to which the Metropolitan Public Carriage Act

1869 applies, Transport for London;

(b) in relation to any other area in England and Wales, the authority

responsible for licensing taxis in that area.

168 Assistance dogs in private hire vehicles

(1) The operator of a private hire vehicle (O) commits an offence by failing or

refusing to accept a booking for the vehicle—

(a) if the booking is requested by or on behalf of a disabled person or a

person who wishes to be accompanied by a disabled person, and

(b) the reason for the failure or refusal is that the disabled person will be

accompanied by an assistance dog.

(2) O commits an offence by making an additional charge for carrying an

assistance dog which is accompanying a disabled person.

(3) The driver of a private hire vehicle commits an offence by failing or refusing to

carry out a booking accepted by O—

(a) if the booking is made by or on behalf of a disabled person or a person

who wishes to be accompanied by a disabled person, and

(b) the reason for the failure or refusal is that the disabled person is

accompanied by an assistance dog.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary

conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(5) In this section—

“driver” means a person who holds a licence under—

(a) section 13 of the Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998 (“the

1998 Act”),

(b) section 51 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions)

Act 1976 (“the 1976 Act”), or

(c) an equivalent provision of a local enactment;

“licensing authority”, in relation to any area in England and Wales, means

the authority responsible for licensing private hire vehicles in that area;

“operator” means a person who holds a licence under—

(a) section 3 of the 1998 Act,

(b) section 55 of the 1976 Act, or

(c) an equivalent provision of a local enactment;

“private hire vehicle” means a vehicle licensed under—





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(a) section 6 of the 1998 Act,

(b) section 48 of the 1976 Act, or

(c) an equivalent provision of a local enactment.

169 Assistance dogs in private hire vehicles: exemption certificates

(1) A licensing authority must issue a driver with a certificate exempting the

driver from the offence under section 168(3) (an “exemption certificate”) if

satisfied that it is appropriate to do so on medical grounds.

(2) In deciding whether to issue an exemption certificate the authority must have

regard, in particular, to the physical characteristics of the private hire vehicle

which the person drives or those of any kind of private hire vehicle in relation

to which the person requires the certificate.

(3) An exemption certificate is valid—

(a) in respect of a specified private hire vehicle or a specified kind of

private hire vehicle;

(b) for such period as is specified in the certificate.

(4) A driver does not commit an offence under section 168(3) if—

(a) an exemption certificate issued to the driver is in force with respect to

the private hire vehicle, and

(b) the prescribed notice of the exemption is exhibited on the vehicle in the

prescribed manner.

The power to make regulations under paragraph (b) is exercisable by the

Secretary of State.

(5) In this section “driver”, “licensing authority” and “private hire vehicle” have

the same meaning as in section 168.

170 Appeals

(1) A person who is aggrieved by the refusal of a licensing authority in England

and Wales to issue an exemption certificate under section 164, 167 or 169 may

appeal to a magistrates’ court before the end of the period of 28 days beginning

with the date of the refusal.

(2) A person who is aggrieved by the refusal of a licensing authority in Scotland to

issue an exemption certificate under section 164 may appeal to the sheriff

before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the refusal.

(3) On an appeal under subsection (1) or (2), the magistrates’ court or sheriff may

direct the licensing authority to issue the exemption certificate to have effect for

such period as is specified in the direction.

(4) A person who is aggrieved by the decision of a licensing authority to include a

vehicle on a list maintained under section 165 may appeal to a magistrates’

court or, in Scotland, the sheriff before the end of the period of 28 days

beginning with the date of the inclusion.

171 Interpretation

(1) In this Chapter—

“accessibility requirements” has the meaning given in section 165(6);

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 Post subject: Re: Lords Amendment
PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:45 pm 
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Dizzy_Destroyer wrote:

I agree that nothing will change.Even if it did happen, the opportunity for the vehicle conversion companies to sell thousands of new vehicles will result in making these vehicle more affordable to drivers.


You know f*ck all about supply and demand :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Lords Amendment
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Dizzy_Destroyer wrote:
I agree that nothing will change.Even if it did happen, the opportunity for the vehicle conversion companies to sell thousands of new vehicles will result in making these vehicle more affordable to drivers.

I think things will change, but for the hackney trade I'm looking at 3 to 5 years at best, or worst, depending on your view.

For the PH owner/driver I think things will be the same for 10+ years, for PH operators maybe not.

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Dizzy_Destroyer wrote:

I agree that nothing will change.Even if it did happen, the opportunity for the vehicle conversion companies to sell thousands of new vehicles will result in making these vehicle more affordable to drivers.


You know f*ck all about supply and demand :wink:

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