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The part in bold Saf, is that not exactly what happened?




What's the point of Government writing a best practice guide and the council not following their advice?

If there is the remotest chance that restriction puts women at risk then it's time to pull the plug.

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George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

In my book what you're doing is using rape to further your own desires and this is more than shameful. Am I prepared to put my daughters lives at risk? well I do it every day and will continue to do so for as long as we are all alive. The simple fact is I've educated my daughters to use licenced taxis or ph only. Never to walk away from the main streets and lights, never to talk to strangers, never get in vehicles or go anywhere with people they don't know, they have been given personal alarms, advised to keep small sprays in their bags just in case they need to spray some in some pervs eyes. The list of preparation for my daughters education as they grew up is quite long and boring but it was done by me the parent, it is my responsibility not anybody elses. The strange thing is even with all the licences and all the prep work I've done with them there is always a risk no matter where they are or what they are doing.

What I'm not happy with is people like you using it to further your needs and desires. Have you any idea what you're talking about. Do you know what it is like to be raped, assaulted, told the fecking walk by the licenced taxi driver because you don't have enough money. I'll repeat one of my last questions just in case you missed it previously.

When was the last time you gave a lift home to a young girl obviously worse for wear and with little or no money just so they wouldn't get raped? I mean purposely given the lift not accidently cos she didn't have enough when you got there.



So where was you with your mate Tonto? You could have rescued her ffs. She could have simply waited a little minute or so for one to turn up or she could have rang for a PH vehicle to come get her. People wait for buses, trains, planes why not for a taxi. It is not for the lack of taxis this girl was raped it was a stupid montary lapse of good judgement and a determined perv for which everybody is looking to blame anybody but the person who committed the act in the first place, it's a sorry state but if it hadn't been this girl it would have been another. Others are using it to further their own means. You make me sick to be honest

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Go Toots

but seriously, brilliant post toots.

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I voted Yes, without any fear.

Aye so brilliant that Toots, can't recognise the risk that restriction poses to young women but the Scottish Government can.


if the supply of taxis or PHCs has been unduly constrained by onerous licensing conditions,, ....

..... then that person's safety might be put at risk by having to wait on late-night streets for a taxi or PHC to arrive; he or she might even be tempted to enter an unlicensed vehicle with an unlicensed driver illegally plying for hire.

Not everyone is well informed and sensible, especially under the influence of drink or drugs. The pervert, on the other hand, knows exactly what he's looking for. With streets full of vulnerable young females, the difference between hailing a cab and being tempted into an unlicensed vehicle could mean the difference between life and death.

The pervert waits for his chance, while a restriction maximises his opportunities. No one is tempted into an unlicensed vehicle when taxis are keeping up with demand.

And you would like to make it easy for the pervert Toots?

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

gary says "Not everyone is well informed and sensible, especially under the influence of drink or drugs"

That's right gary, but it is not our job to look after them!

Still no answer to my question eh Skull. Still can't tell me when the last time your concern caused you to give a free lift to a vunerable young lass to save her getting raped was.

Not sure if I've posted this info before but I am in a de-restricted area and the last rape happened when there was a queue of taxis waiting to take passengers home. So go on explain to me exactly how your theory will prevent rapes, please. I don't think it does it just moves the perv from one target to another.

As I've said many a time before I don't agree that plates should have values but that has nothing at all to do with rape and it really sickens me that you're using rape to forward you own cause. If you want to help prevent rapes then good luck to you I hope you find a way but de-restriction won't be it. Education on safety for females is the best way to help prevent more rapes and assaults. A lot of rapes and assaults on women are caused by alcohol so perhaps if we ban that we could cut down on it happening



I made it so easy for the pervert last time I was taking him home ffs. You don't know what you're talking about

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Also, in all the years of fighting the local council on restriction of plates, not once did you use womens safety in your arguements. You saw an opportunity to use this heinous crime to further your cause.

to be honest, garry and jimmy are no worse than the rapists they claim to be trying to protect the public from. they have similar agendas.

Rapists look for an opportunity to prey on the weak and try to get what they want as no one else will give it voluntery.
Jimmy and garry are using this opportunity to use these terrible incidents to try and get what they want as no one else will give it to them voluntery.

We only read the best practice guide the other week. Then we connected what the Government advised councils to the rapes and council policy.

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Is that all you two think about - rape rape rape.

Sorry I didn't answer the way you wanted Toots




Pay attention to the text and point to the part I got wrong.

You are entitled to your opinion Toots, but I don't believe I said anything that is not true.

Toots Writes:



You think!

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All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
George Orwell, "Animal Farm"

Quite obviously it would cos it just doesn't sink in does it. That should also answer your question as to whether I am blonde or not

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

So a taxi driver wants to operate a taxi without paying a grossly inflated premium. He points out to the authorities that the BPG says that onerous licensing requirements could compromise public safety and tempt them to use unlicensed vehicles. He points out that two females in his area have been seriously sexually assualted after using unlicensed vehicles.

And you call that shameful?



That's fine, but in the rest of the world things aren't quite so clear cut. For example, the BPG states that a risk might arise when waiting on late-night streets, and you surely can't deny that? And yes, there will always be a risk, but even if the risk is marginally lowered by a free market rather than having £40k plate premiums then what do you think a reasonable person would prefer?

Lower risk to safety or plate premiums?



So what do you think of people who prefer profiteering to less risk? And remember, it's the Scottish Government's BPG in question here, not the profiteers or wanabees on this forum.



You're being flippant here, surely? Are you saying that we should all be offering free lifts to people who normally walk because they can't afford a taxi (say) to reduce their risk of coming to harm?

I suspect we've all done favours to vulnerable females - unless they're blatantly taking the mick, as we all know some of them do - but we're all trying to make a living, and the point comes back to the profiteering and the public benefit, as per the BPG.



But again the point is that if there's an improvement in availability then does that trump plate premiums?



So given the amount of females getting into PH illegally plying for hire and bogus cabs across the UK, there must be a helluva lot of momentary lapses in judgements going on, but thankfully normally there's no real harm done.

But how many times have you read on here about females coming to harm after getting into a vehicle that they thought was a legitimate taxi?

The problem is basically that the system is a mess of different policies and practices throughout the country and the confusion that causes.

For example, in Edinburgh a couple of decades ago there were very few PHC - and there still are very few by national standards - so punters knew what they were looking for and were more aware of what wasn't legitimate. But the black cab monopoly changed all that, and private hire numbers ballooned, with the inevitable illegal plying etc. And this includes quite a few out of area vehicles and the odd unlicensed car. So now it's more of a mess, hence the potential for people coming to harm.

Did you know, for example, that PHVs in Edinburgh didn't even have plates until a handful of years ago? Hence the greater than usual potential for unlicensed vehicles to operate, and things like that don't change overnight.

But you seem to be blaming a multitude of factors - and I would agree that there are many in play, with no particular change that would provide a magic bullet - but you dismiss one aspect out of hand, and that aspect was described by a Member of the Scottish Parliament as a "very disturbing problem", and that was just referring to the trade in plates rather than the wider implications.

Thus I don't know how you can come out with stuff like: "Others are using it to further their own means. You make me sick to be honest."

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More taxis on the streets won't have hampered this girl being attacked.

Chances are
a) she came out of club, asks saloon car if he was a taxi. He says yes, she jumps in. Unfortunately we know the outcome
b) she came out of club. Illegally plying PH asks if anyone wants a taxi. She says yes, jumps in then unfortunely we know the outcome


Let's use a differnt scenario. 2 drug dealers. One buying one selling. Seller goes up to the buyer and attacks the seller leaving him badly beaten up and robbed of all his bodily possesions! Should the government make drug dealing legal to combat these crimes thus making the dealing of drugs easier and it may cause less crimes. Of course not.

Should you lift any cap on plates and make it a free for all then it only makes it easier for these perverts to pray on women as they'll have easier access to "the tools of the trade"

others in deregulated areas have proven that an increased number of rxis doesn't mean a drop in such vile sex crimes

Call that a break