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you misrepresent the point by saying it doesn't stop rape. No one ever claimed it did. It's about the level of risk.
I didn't misrepresent the point by saying it doesn't stop rape at all, cos it doesn't, so it's not misrepresented. To claim that it would prevent rapes or reduce rapes without facts to support that opinion is a misrepresentation.
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And describing taxi drivers driving their own taxi as a 'free for all' displays your obvious bias.
I didn't describe taxi drivers driving their own taxis as a free for all I described de-restriction as a free for all. The two do not necessarily go hand in hand, we have drivers here that still rent cabs even though we're de-restricted.
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And the point is not your personal opinion of Taylor and Thomson, it's about the closed market and the relevance of the BPG
I don't have a personal opinion of Taylor and Thomson cos I don't know them other than I don't agree with them using rape as a means to an end. BPG doesn't say you shouldn't restrict plates, but, if you are going to you should do a SUD which I do believe Edinburgh did. That survey said that another 30 plates should be issued, which again, I do believe Edinburgh did.
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Again the issue is multi-factorial (to use the jargon) but I don't think the real danger lies in queuing at ranks - not the cleverest place for a rapist to strike, even without marshalls - and you can't stop people trying to hail taxis elsewhere.
I wasn't suggesting that you could or should stop people from hailing taxis on the street. I was merely pointing out that having a safe place to wait on the street for a taxi is a good idea and reduces risks.
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But it's a slightly silly question, if you don't mind me saying. I might as well ask when a taxi proprietor in Edinburgh last handed their plate to someone else because they wanted to provide for their family.
Now who's being silly? The chances are the answer to both questions is never ever. No problem with that unless of course you're using rape as a means to get more taxis on the road. Unless you're prepared to do everything you can to protect these vunerable drunk young girls get home safely, but hey, that's not a taxi drivers job is it unless they are getting paid for it
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So elsewhere you're going on about education and rank marshalls, but now it comes down to a perv being a perv?
As I said, it's multi-factorial, as you seem to agree when it suits, but your oroblem is the BPG and rebutting the principle outlined in that.
It took me a while work this part of your argument out but it's always been down to a perv being a perv that is why girls need to be educated and why I think rank marshalls are a good idea when it comes to public safety when waiting on the streets late at night. I think I've already address your point about BPG
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I've got a better idea - what about free taxis?
What about them? Are you suggesting that the trade should provide free taxis for the drunk and reckless females
I certainly wasn't.
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And who's paying for all these marshalls and free buses etc?
Who cares so long as young girls get home safely without being raped because that is the current crux of the argument for more taxis on the road
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On the first point, I suspect that's down to sheer numbers, but if there were more bogus cabs than legitimate taxis and PH then do you think safety would improve or get worse?
I think you will find that guessing what would happen if something else happened isn't really a good argument. Stick to the facts as you have asked me to do.
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On the second point, make PH easy to recognise and you encourage illegal plying.
Do you? I think you will find that the two main reasons that encourages illegal plying for hire are lack of enforcement and lack of work, but, I could be wrong. I think you will find that the purpose of making ph recognisable was to help the public know what is a licenced vehicle so that they are less likely to get in to Mr Pervs vehicle
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Indeed, but you seem to be blaming this, that and the next factor except for the one in the BPG and according with simple common sense.
No bias evident then Toots?
I'm not blaming anything I was just pointing out that there are lots of factors to be considered when you are trying to protect the public and not just one thing such as the BPG is the answer. So lets address the BPG again. Common sense to me is, do a survey, get result of unmet demand, meet unmet demand which in the case of Edinburgh was 30 more licences required, so 30 more licences were issued. Seems like commonsense to me, but again I could be wrong and it is only my opinion.
I have no reason to be bias in any way cos I can do whatever I please here. I have both licences, I have the means to drive a WAV or a saloon, I'm not 'plate baron' nor would I want to be, I earn enough money from ph for my needs and I don't work in Edinburgh so whether it's restricted or not is of no conseqence to me in the slightest. So I really don't know why you think my opinion is bias
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PH will continue to balloon even in de-restricted areas cos generally they offer a better service at a better price
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Yes, a good argument for the taxi monopoly there
Again I was just pointing out from experience that de-restriction does not necessarily reduce ph. In fact since taxis here were de-restricted ph has doubled. Partly due to the lack of work for HC's, drivers took out loans for new cabs when we were de-restricted, the market was flooded and we hit a recession, drivers handed back cabs so then couldn't get finance for another vehicle and consquently are now renting a phv and paying settle to operator companies and working silly hours to be able to do this it's not good. Of the remaining 230 odd HC's now working here 93 of them are also paying to work on the PH system that I work from and there are others on other systems. I wonder why that might be
It certainly isn't because de-restriction works
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Again, you seem to be selective in the arguments you support.
The police often claim that controlling taxi numbers is detrimental to law and order and public safety, so you can't just dismiss arguments like this and the BPG out of hand, particularly when that supports profiteering, and just saying that you don't think it should happen is just a cop out.
I'm not selective in my arguments I support I'm selective in the arguments I have an opinion about, is this wrong?
The police here warned the council that it would be detrimental to the public and road safety to de-restrict but they did it anyway. I haven't dismissed anything out of hand I have expressed my opinion through experience of working in a de-restricted area. I haven't ignored BPG I just didn't bring it in to my opinion that's all
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Again you seem fixated by Taylor rather than looking at things objectively? Police, councillors, some in the trade, the BPG etc makes the case. Of course, there are plenty who will argue to the contrary, but please don't claim that it's just one person.
I'm not fixated with Taylor I'm not entirely sure which one is which if the truth be known
I will have been commenting on something that was said and if that was by Taylor then it will have been aimed at him, is that a problem?
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As for the first point, you're saying that PH drivers in restricted areas work shorter hours because taxi numbers are restricted?
I'm not saying that at all me thinks you has twisted my meaning to suit your argument
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And you're saying that drivers paying servicing a £50k loan to buy a plate or paying £300 a week rental means they work less hours?
There you go again twisty twisty how naughty are you
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Think what you like,
generally I do
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but the arguments of T&T aren't the end of the argument,
I didn't think it would be for a minute
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and it's up to others - like the courts - to evaluate the evidence objectively.
and so it should be, that's what they are there for
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There has to be another solution
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Which is?
If I knew that I wouldn't say "there
has to be another solution" I would say "
there is another solution" now wouldn't I?
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Frank Lay wrote:
You sound very like jimmy boy, so I was thinking of some of the porn sites out there for the likes of you, if that is what floats your boat.
jimmy boy probably has a list of them.
You seem obsessed with porn and denying the facts about a serious sexual assualt.
And to think Toots is siding with you.
Sad or what?
Was there any need for that really? At least now I know how low you go!! You must dizzy with all this twisting
toots.... we used to have a poster on here that was called TDO... if you go back and read the posts he used to put up you'll see a very strong similarity.... he used to argue simply for the sake of arguing.... a very nice man..... but would argue black was white just for the sake of it.... simply to distracted you while the dopes had a chance to think...
its the same type of childish logic that you have to deal with, when you're dealing with a smart-ass that knows it all...
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