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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 12:16 pm 
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Each application considered on its merits? This doesn't actually happen. Indeed, with the existence of a policy to cap numbers, any application is prejudicd by the policy.



According to the act, each application should be considered on it's own merits.
A policy to restrict numbers is allowed under the same act.
It could be considered that this would be an exception, otherwise why allow it?

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refusals on SUD grounds must be made with information available at the time of application.

I'd be interested in where you get this interpretation.



I stand corrected.
Available at time of consideration, it would seem.

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It won't stop new drivers getting badges. Their numbers cannot be capped.



Prove it....


If you think driver licence numbers can be capped it is for you to prove it, not me.

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It won't stop new drivers getting badges. Their numbers cannot be capped.



Prove it....


If you think driver licence numbers can be capped it is for you to prove it, not me.


You're the one that states it can't be done and claims an extensive knowledge of the CGSA...... :roll:


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It won't stop new drivers getting badges. Their numbers cannot be capped.



Prove it....


If you think driver licence numbers can be capped it is for you to prove it, not me.


You're the one that states it can't be done and claims an extensive knowledge of the CGSA...... :roll:


And?

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gusmac wrote:
tx_op wrote:
gusmac wrote:
tx_op wrote:
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It won't stop new drivers getting badges. Their numbers cannot be capped.



Prove it....


If you think driver licence numbers can be capped it is for you to prove it, not me.


You're the one that states it can't be done and claims an extensive knowledge of the CGSA...... :roll:


And?


Thoght i'd give you the opportunity to dazzle us with your brilliance......


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tx_op wrote:
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tx_op wrote:
gusmac wrote:
tx_op wrote:
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It won't stop new drivers getting badges. Their numbers cannot be capped.



Prove it....


If you think driver licence numbers can be capped it is for you to prove it, not me.


You're the one that states it can't be done and claims an extensive knowledge of the CGSA...... :roll:


And?


Thoght i'd give you the opportunity to dazzle us with your brilliance......


Why bother :?:

The effort is wasted on you.

Why don't you just post us some song lyrics? :roll:

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There is no restriction on driver's licences. Drivers only have to be fit and proper and have completed the quality control requirements in licenbsing conditions.

Which is why Dundee are barking up the wrong tree.

Only by beefing up the quality requirements can a disincentive be made for new entrants to the trade.

It occurs ome that it is curious that Dundee city council aren't tripping over themselves to put the cap back on.

Want to venture why this is TX-op?

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gusmac wrote:





Why bother :?:

The effort is wasted on you.

Why don't you just post us some song lyrics? :roll:



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tx_op wrote:
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Why bother :?:

The effort is wasted on you.

Why don't you just post us some song lyrics? :roll:



Ok....dedicated just to you !!!


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And here's one for you

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Superb post Gusmac.


ffs you are a pure knob

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Jasbar wrote:
There is no restriction on driver's licences. Drivers only have to be fit and proper and have completed the quality control requirements in licenbsing conditions.

Which is why Dundee are barking up the wrong tree.

Only by beefing up the quality requirements can a disincentive be made for new entrants to the trade.

It occurs ome that it is curious that Dundee city council aren't tripping over themselves to put the cap back on.

Want to venture why this is TX-op?


Coming from one who repeatedly quotes the BPG to support numerical derestriction, I find this quite amusing.

Did you read section 65 of the BPG? Here it is (with my emphasis on the bit you missed!)

"Topographical Knowledge

65. Taxi drivers need a good working knowledge of the area for which they are licensed, because taxis can be hired immediately, directly with the driver, at ranks or on the street. Many licensing authorities require prospective taxi-drivers to pass a test of local topographical knowledge as a condition of first grant of a licence. Mandatory testing of topographical knowledge is best practice although the stringency of the test should reflect the complexity or otherwise of the local geography, on the principle of ensuring that barriers to entry are not unnecessarily high."

So now, where do you stand with regard to tightening quality controls to restrict driver entry? The guidance here is quite clear as opposed to the sections which cover quantity controls which make no recommendation at all.

Oh and btw, you are wrong about SUD information too!! Your earlier statement should read:-

"Each application is supposed to be determined individually and refusals on SUD grounds must be made with information available at the time the application falls due to be considered. NOT "at the time of application" as you state.

Once again you are caught out with your twisted claims and lies.


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65. Taxi drivers need a good working knowledge of the area for which they are licensed, because taxis can be hired immediately, directly with the driver, at ranks or on the street. Many licensing authorities require prospective taxi-drivers to pass a test of local topographical knowledge as a condition of first grant of a licence. Mandatory testing of topographical knowledge is best practice although the stringency of the test should reflect the complexity or otherwise of the local geography, on the principle of ensuring that barriers to entry are not unnecessarily high."

So now, where do you stand with regard to tightening quality controls to restrict driver entry? The guidance here is quite clear as opposed to the sections which cover quantity controls which make no recommendation at all.



Well it does say that mandatory testing of topo knowledge is best practice, but it doesn't say quite say that about restricted numbers.

But clearly the ethos of the BPG is about balancing the stringency of licensing requirements with the public interest, and it's self-evident that topo tests are in the public interest, but clearly not to the point that the "barrier to entry" does not benefit the public and acts only to overregulate the trade.

Thus how does restricted numbers stand as regards benefiting the public, particularly as compared to the self-evident benefit to taxi licence holders?

And I'm glad you highlighted the phrase "barriers to entry not being unnecessarily high".

So if the average barrier to entry for a taxi proprietor in Ednburgh is £10k for a vehicle and £40k for a plate, doesn't this demonstrate that barriers to entry are unnecessarily high?

And to repeat an earlier point, if this BPG is as irrelevant as is being made out by some then why bother disputing its application to restricted numbers?

Does your post mean you do think it is relevant, swannee?

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And, swannee, if the BPG mentions topo tests as a barrier to entry, why is it so quiet on plates selling for up to £50k?

You'd think that would merit a mention.

I wonder why not?

Is this what amounts to "twisted lies and claims", to use your own phrase?

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Oh and btw, you are wrong about SUD information too!! Your earlier statement should read:-

"Each application is supposed to be determined individually and refusals on SUD grounds must be made with information available at the time the application falls due to be considered. NOT "at the time of application" as you state.

Once again you are caught out with your twisted claims and lies.


So how many councillors in Edinburgh - or anywhere, come to that - could articulate the basic principle, never mind pick up on the more technical point?

Thus where does this put them in relation to "twisted lies and claims".

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