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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:53 pm 
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That would b great if u did, I'm totally lost here


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Right went down to tayside police and asked them to confirm I haven't been charged with and offence, and guess what, they couldn't tell there head far there arse, have to go see the officer throat took my statement!

After that I went to the city council and told them I would not recieve a fair hearing cause the letter they received had the wrong info on it, the sent my to the cab office, that was fun he prity much told me to [edited by admin] off it's nothing to do with him even tho he was the one that wrote that Peter to the dcc, he dated he received info from the officer that took my statment saying I was charged, WTF, so then went back to bell street police station and put in a formal complaint angaist that officer,

Dcc said I can't put off the herring even tho I'm waiting on a
Police check to prove iv no criminal conviction, which cost me a tenner, basicly even if tayside police are in the wrong which they are they dnt care


You're making a huge mistake here. You've accepted the council's rules and you are playing their game. They can only win here.

Now, I've no doubt that you will be dragged through their process and may well just get a slap on the wrist and warned to be a good boy.

But if it were me, I would be writing to the council and asking them to show you how their process complies with Hu8man Rights. That you can't possibly enter into the process unless and until the council can prove that they have had the process vetted to show that it does comply.

Freedom of Information request.

You've gotta attack this process.

But there again, it's your livelihood ....

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Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
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am not sure if you know but the cabs office have been monitoring this forum so be careful not to incriminate yourself free speech in Dundee comes at a price.


Have they nothing better to do on their Council Tax paid Wages or are you not allowed to say.........its Quite something, East Germany got Rid of its Stasi in the name of Democracy whilst we in the UK Create a Stasi like state in the name of Democracy...hmmmmm, who made the right choices along the way??? 8-[


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BTW If you are daft enough to go this meeting to be confronted by this kangaroo court, you must make absolutely no comment about the alleged incident. As far as you are concerned no charges were substantiated by due process, legally no incident took place. Your rights are being breached by the council seeking to hold you to account and punish you for an an unsubstantiated alleged offence.

If you speak to it you will be corroborating the matter for them. That will entitle them to make an example of you.

The sad thing is that its cabbies caught in the headllghts complying with these council fascists that allow them to get away with it.

Now, you may be afraid of what Taylor and the Skull say, that may put you off, but it is the only sensible course of action to protect yourself against unaccountable allegedly democratically elected "citizens" who are abusing their "power" to inflate their status while reducing yours. It is shameful that people behave like this, which is why local democracy is a sham.

You're not dealing with reasonable people here, but twisted control freaks.

I suspect this is designed to humiliate you and, through you, send a warning to the trade.

If not, and you follow the course you seem about to, it will be too late to go back. Unless you assert your Human Rights at the outset, it may be too late if you should have to take the matter to court.

And I suspect TX-OP, although he is trying to help, doesn't have a handle on this.

Anyway, I've said my piece, good luck.

And when the dust settles, take the matter to the press. It's about time that the public realise how their elected representatives terrorise licence holders.

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Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
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n observation which we should all do well to remember.

Mistake 1. Our friend spoke to someone at the cab office. All discussion should be with no one less than the Cab Inspector. All correspondence should be with the Chief Constable, who is supposed to be making the complaint.

Mistake 2. Our friend spoke with someone at the council. A waste of time. All discussion should be with the Council solicitor. That's where the power is. Speaking to minions they will only relate the process. The process that is designed to process you and ultimately do you down.

Mistake 3. Our friend has been given no reasonable time to consider the situation. This is a deliberate ploy to "catch you in headlights, off guard" so that you arrive in the process unprepred and bewildered.

If our friend does any thing he should put a letter in the post citing Human Rights to a fair hearing and telling the council solicitor that such short notice negates this fundamental right and that under the circumstances he will not be appearing on the date they have specified and that it will need to be rearranged. This will likely be for the next meeting, usually a further month down the line.

It would be illegal for the council to suspend a licence with a proper hearing.

This will buy the time necessary to ensure he can appoach the situation fully prepared, with a solicitor if necessary - as is his right.

The words "there isn't time to get a solicitor" should tell us all that the council don't want him to be represented. By trotting in unrepresented and unprepared it's a council inspired lambs to the slaughter job.

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Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"


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Jasbar wrote:
By trotting in unrepresented and unprepared it's a council inspired lambs to the slaughter job.


Jim, Somebody/s got to represent him or he's fecked ! The guy ain't been on the park long enough to know how to play the game. DCC cannot justify nor conduct. any suspension hearing under the CGSA if, no condition has been breached or, offence commited.

A caution is not a criminal offence !


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By trotting in unrepresented and unprepared it's a council inspired lambs to the slaughter job.


Jim, Somebody/s got to represent him or he's fecked ! The guy ain't been on the park long enough to know how to play the game. DCC cannot justify nor conduct. any suspension hearing under the CGSA if, no condition has been breached or, offence commited.

A caution is not a criminal offence !


Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what you're doing. And he is lucky to have you onside.

But goingintothehearing in their timescale can only mitigate against him. He needs time to prepare. That's why he should write to the council solicitor citing his right to a fair hearing under HRA and get the continuance he needs to saitisfy his representation issues and formulate his approach, with your help

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Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"


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Jasbar, that is totally spot on.

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Jasbar wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what you're doing. And he is lucky to have you onside.

But goingintothehearing in their timescale can only mitigate against him. He needs time to prepare. That's why he should write to the council solicitor citing his right to a fair hearing under HRA and get the continuance he needs to saitisfy his representation issues and formulate his approach, with your help


Good point Jim but, will DCC allow him to defer ?? You know how it works, heard with or without the Licence holder's presence ! don't get me wrong, i'm all for it as i can have the guns fully loaded.


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He has a right to a fair hearing. They have to comply. They can't consider the matter without his presence.

He could just refuse to attend on the basis of insufficient notice, which is unreasonable for the council to do.

He could claim sickness on the day and the matter would have to be deferred.

The best course of action is to write the council solicitor acknowledging their request and point out that under HRA he has a right to a fair hearing. In exercising his right he requires to have representation and that once such is in position he will advise the council in order that a suitable hearing date can be arranged.

They could not possibly refuse this reasonable approach, to do so would be viewed dimly in the event the matter did eventually come to court. Which Sheriff would support a council being so unreasonable.

He has to get the deferral. He should email the council solicitor immediately with a hard copy sent ny snail mail.

That's the first step.

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Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"


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