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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:17 pm 
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I totally disagree... I think that the Law Commission should have advertised in all the national papers

Why?

How many drivers buy the national press? How many can read the national press? :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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There was nothing to say..... there was enough people spouting hot air as it was.... my personal opinion.... is that I will wait for this flower to bloom... and then if necessary cut off its head..... when all minds are focused on survival

So dialogue is not in your nature then. From dialogue others may see the errors of their ways, including me too. You have great experience on your side and it's a shame that you don't use that to good effect.

But then you might see yourself as a taxi proprietor version of 007, preferring to assassinate instead of resorting to dialogue.

well considering that myself and Wayne Casey of the NTA went to a great deal of trouble.... unpaid...for a number of years convincing the rest of the people belonging to the meeting of minds to attend, which was first hosted by the NTA , your knowledge of Me is limited....

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Sussex wrote:
MR T wrote:
I totally disagree... I think that the Law Commission should have advertised in all the national papers

Why?

How many drivers buy the national press? How many can read the national press? :roll:

OK.. local press... and if you think they can't read, they could do it as a cartoon

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:53 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
MR T wrote:
I totally disagree... I think that the Law Commission should have advertised in all the national papers

Why?

How many drivers buy the national press? How many can read the national press? :roll:

You have a very low opinion of yourself sussex,maybe they could put pictures in your daily mail :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
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MR T wrote:
Sussex wrote:
MR T wrote:
I totally disagree... I think that the Law Commission should have advertised in all the national papers

Why?

How many drivers buy the national press? How many can read the national press? :roll:

OK.. local press... and if you think they can't read, they could do it as a cartoon

A cartoon would be very apt !


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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:56 pm 
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You have a very low opinion of yourself sussex,maybe they could put pictures in your daily mail :wink:

I have a very high opinion thank you, and also a high opinion of most taxi/PH drivers that I come into contact with.

But I bet of all the taxi/PH drivers I come into contact with, save for a few office spivs, I will be the only person replying to the LC.

Now is that the LC's fault, or the drivers?

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:23 am 
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I agree with Sussex

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:05 am 
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Or NATU set itself up because of the TransComm meeting?

That is what I am saying.

During oral evidence given to the Transport Select Committee on 15th March 2011, this matter was brought up and it went like this;

Q166 Chair: I would like to start off by asking the National Association of Taxi Users if you could tell us how many users you represent and how you get your information.

Kris Beuret: We recently launched ourselves at a conference only in December last year and we did that at the instigation, really, of a lot of organisations. I myself was a member of the Disabled Persons Transport Advisory Committee, which is now no longer working. A lot of disability organisations wanted to do something for consumers. Also, a lot of women’s groups, and generally the work we have done over the many years, have flagged up the need for a consumer group to represent taxi users. We did go to Passenger Focus. They had recently taken on buses as well as trains. They felt that that was enough for the moment, but they do support this initiative. We would hope that one day that would merge with Passenger Focus, but meanwhile we are here because we feel there is an urgent need to represent the needs of taxi users.

Q167 Chair: How many users would you say you represent? How do people know that you exist and how to approach you?

Kris Beuret: We have only recently launched the web page last month. We are getting more and more people using the web page and we are in the process of getting various people to amalgamate with us, including the National Association of Licensing Officers, who we hope will support us.


Twice they were asked how many members they represent. Twice the response was woffle.

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So because any consumer organisation has to be set up from scratch then to that extent you're implying that it lacks legitimacy?

They lack legitimacy because they have not demonstrated to this day that they have a membership, let alone a membership that merits the use of the word 'National' in their title.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:21 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
And perhaps you're right about the LTDA, but the NTA, Unite, GMB et al, "represent the trade"?

They represent a vested interest therein is perhaps a better way of putting it.

They represent their membership and that is not a definition of 'vested interest'.

And if you have a congregation [they are holy in their own minds :lol:] of these organisations at a given meeting, then you might well get different opinions that can be persuasive to some at meetings and on the whole a balanced view when taking all those views into consideration.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:33 am 
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charles007 wrote:
you have it would seem been to the meetings of Mainds so what is to be done.

I also had the guts of 5 hours with the Law Commission in four sessions [3 on Wednesday and 1 on Thursday] at the Coventry Taxi Show this week. Did you?

If not, why not?

It was very well publicised that they would be there and whilst their stand was the busiest by far at the whole show with a constant steam of people in two or three group discussions all day long, there was only the minutest of subjects covered.

We could have done with a lot more people like yourself there to discuss their provisional proposals and get clarifications on some of the questions posed in their publication.

Mind you Miss Toots did join me on at least two of the sessions and along with me gave them a decent grilling too.

I will report in a differnt [new] thread on my discussons with them as soon as I can find time to write down all I can remember of the debates I took part in.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:41 am 
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MR T wrote:
There was nothing to say..... there was enough people spouting hot air as it was.... my personal opinion.... is that I will wait for this flower to bloom... and then if necessary cut off its head..... when all minds are focused on survival

So dialogue is not in your nature then. From dialogue others may see the errors of their ways, including me too. You have great experience on your side and it's a shame that you don't use that to good effect.

But then you might see yourself as a taxi proprietor version of 007, preferring to assassinate instead of resorting to dialogue. :lol: :lol: :lol:

well considering that myself and Wayne Casey of the NTA went to a great deal of trouble.... unpaid...for a number of years convincing the rest of the people belonging to the meeting of minds to attend, which was first hosted by the NTA , your knowledge of Me is limited....

My knowledge of you is not limited. There are people in the Brum cab trade that know you of old and speak very fondly and in glowing terms about you.

I know you have a lot to offer, still, to your local and indeed the national trade.

Please don't take what I wrote previously in the wrong way; perhaps I should have added to my original post what I have now amended it with after 'dialogue.'.

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 Post subject: Re: What is the NTTG.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 10:53 am 
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well for me not the right veniue, and is window dressing but 10 of 10 for doing it but with hand on hart can you say it was the right veniue. but well done.

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Please don't take what I wrote previously in the wrong way; perhaps I should have added to my original post what I have now amended it with after 'dialogue.
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Brummie... I don't take offence.. I'm an a old time taxi driver... what is happening with the Law Commission will have no consequences to me, so why should I worry, but it will have consequences to this generation of taxi and private hire drivers and the next, and they are the ones that should be weakening up.
Consultation is simply a legal requirement to justify the end result. you know and I know that the vast majority of the Hackney Trade will not even know this is taking place. and why. because the leaders of the association's will only tell their members... and most non members will be blissfully ignorant.

The NTTG was formed to do just that the money was collected to fight the last battle and the remainder was left to fight the next, they now have a committee that are definitely on another planet, when I speak to them they tell me things I already know, as if it had just happened, when I was part of the NTTG we use the the money to go out to other areas. all round the North West. Bradford ,Leeds, we made sure that they knew what was happening. I went from town to City onto the taxi ranks, provided them with copies of what was happening, then spoke to the leaders, and then set up times and dates for them to meet with the committee. that is what should be happening now.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:
So because any consumer organisation has to be set up from scratch then to that extent you're implying that it lacks legitimacy?

They lack legitimacy because they have not demonstrated to this day that they have a membership, let alone a membership that merits the use of the word 'National' in their title.


Yes, as I alluded yesterday it's all a bit hazy, but I don't think per se that makes it illegitimate, and indeed since it's the only such organisation then to that extent its merit is obvious from the perspective of the LC et al.

But I'm sure they'll take into account who or what it represents, as per the TransComm's attempts.

And since that was soon after the NATU's inception then perhaps they're a bit better organised now.


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