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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:45 pm 
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You read more into my posts than I write, I am sure the full circumstances of what caused his death will become apparent in court, and there is obviously more to this than has been stated , and until everyone gives their testimony the whole picture will not be visible ,
I think I have an idea of what actually took place but it is not for me to comment now.
you might also like to give thought that in a few months' time Anyone charged with offence such as this could well find their Licence revoked immediately.

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you might also like to give thought that in a few months' time Anyone charged with offence such as this could well find their Licence revoked immediately.

Two ways of looking at that. Bad if they are found innocent, good if they are found guilty. :?

But they can still appeal and hopefully get a quick date for the mags court.

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You read more into my posts than I write, I am sure the full circumstances of what caused his death will become apparent in court, and there is obviously more to this than has been stated , and until everyone gives their testimony the whole picture will not be visible ,
I think I have an idea of what actually took place but it is not for me to comment now.
you might also like to give thought that in a few months' time Anyone charged with offence such as this could well find their Licence revoked immediately.


From what ive read (and i can only comment on this little bit) i feel for him. Surely if he wasnt the last to restrain him, then there's enough doubt to get a not guilty verdict, after all who's to say the final restraint that was made wasnt the one that did it? The law say's "beyond reasonable doubt" and that must be on his side.
But for the moment him and his family must be going through hell.


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I dont think that these kind of tragic incidents are unheard of, there were quite a few of these restraint related deaths in the past and they brought in guidlines for the Police and prison service,mental health sector workers and others who might have to restrain others in times of need.

Positional asphyxia happens, I would think that in a situation like this there is always going to be a risk of this sort of thing happening,it's often worse in cases where there may have been excited delirium present,although it has it's detractors I have seen this a few times so I would go along with it.


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MR T wrote:
You read more into my posts than I write, I am sure the full circumstances of what caused his death will become apparent in court, and there is obviously more to this than has been stated , and until everyone gives their testimony the whole picture will not be visible ,
I think I have an idea of what actually took place but it is not for me to comment now.
you might also like to give thought that in a few months' time Anyone charged with offence such as this could well find their Licence revoked immediately.


Perhaps you should write less? lol. On a serious note as I previously said, apart from you and those who were involved in this incident we are in the dark. All we know is that a man described as a gentle giant lies dead. Whether he was so gentle on the night in question is yet to be determined? I think we can take it for granted the police didn't kill him so I suppose someone has to be held accountable for the mans death?

I seem to recall that the accused has a history with the "South Sefton Hackney Drivers' Association", so I presume he is well known. The following Newspaper article doesn't give much away but I think apart from your own account its the only record of events we have.

Man charged over takeaway manslaughter

Apr 26 2007

A MAN appeared in court yesterday charged with manslaughter after a three-month investigation into an incident outside a Merseyside takeaway.


Gary Jenner, 28, of Litherland, died in January outside Tsang’s in Stanley Road, Bootle.

Police charged a 53-year-old taxi driver with Mr Jenner’s manslaughter.

The taxi driver, appeared yesterday before Bootle magistrates, who committed the case for trial at Liverpool Crown Court on May 8.

He was bailed on the condition he informs police of any plans for foreign travel before the hearing.

Mr Jenner died in the early hours of Sunday, January 14. It is alleged a row which started in the takeaway developed into a fight.

In an earlier article Mr Jenners family said they had lost a "gentle giant" who had recently proposed to his girlfriend.
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There was no need whatsoever to if print his name and address .

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There was no need whatsoever to if print his name and address .


The text was taken from the Newspaper article but rather than post the long link attached to the article I thought it wiser to preserve the formatting of this thread and post the article itself. I didn't take any notice of the address and until you reminded everyone I don't think anyone else would either.

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And pigs might fly


I've removed it but I really didn't take much notice of it and furthermore I suspect it's meaningless to everyone on here except you.

If someone had posted the link to the newspaper article there is not a lot we could have done about it but in any case those details have already been published and are in the public domain. I have no doubt that once the court case starts, if indeed it ever does? Then those types of details will be hard to suppress.

If you really wanted to keep this quiet you should have kept it to yourself until such time it was mentioned.

You really can't blame me or anyone else who subscribes to TDO for commenting on the news and posting newsworthy information, that's the whole point of this forum. The accused in question being a prominent member of the Sefton Taxi Trade would certainly be newsworthy. I just wonder how you intend to keep it out of the Trade magazines because I think it certainly might be newsworthy to them.

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JD.Thank you for removing his name and address, it will still be the same without them, I am confident that the majority of posters on the site are responsible, but unfortunately not everyone is, you are right it will be in the papers, you or I have no control over that, But we do have control over what we print on here.

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JD wrote:
In an earlier article Mr Jenners family said they had lost a "gentle giant" who had recently proposed to his girlfriend.



Who was no doubt expecting their first child, and he was just about to start a new job, he had a disrupted childhood, ................ play another record. :roll:


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The most worrying thing about all of this is that it proves how hard it is to go out for a night out and avoid trouble.

Most city/town centres are no go for me when i'm drinking, they just seem to be full of drunk yobs looking for a fight.

What has this country come to.

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He was still struggling when the police arrived


So the police killed him? lol

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I have not said that, nor implied it. I know he died of asphyxiation, But what caused it I do not know as yet, the only people that do are the police and untill he has disclosure he will not know. what I do know is that he could never knowingly harm anyone.


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I know he died of asphyxiation


I think you will find that asphyxiation is the direct result of a lack of oxygen.

Someone would have had to put him in a position to have his oxygen supply cut off. Now if it wasn’t your mate, or his chums, then it had to be the police. Unless of course this guy committed suicide when he heard the police were on there way.

I don’t believe that anyone went there with the intent to commit murder but I think death by misadventure is stretching it a bit.

Restraining someone it is supposed to be a defensive technique; in that it prevents both you and your attacker sustaining further injury. A choke hold is offensive; used when attacking. The same goes for whatever they did to deny this man the oxygen he needed to stay alive.

I hope your mate gets off with this Mr. T, and I expect he will, but I can't help think there is more to this than meets the eye.
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Just a to let people know where this now is at, his trial I believe has been scheduled for September , he has been told that it is scheduled for seven days, the witness statements it would seem all back up his version of events, and I believe there is even CCTV footage of the man involved coming out of the chip shop throwing a haymaker, it is my understanding that he died because his blood became poisoned, so the fact that he was alive when the police arrived has no bearing...

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Everyone up here has their fingers, and everything else crossed for a trial which uncovers the truth of this incident T.

B. Lucky :D

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