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I can well understand what you did, and to some extent sympathise, but I think the council are right not to Licence drivers from abroad,
The reason I say this is because it makes a joke of the whole purpose of CRB checks
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this driver had got a CRB check in this country by the other councils but this could only go back the several months he had been here

north tyneside would not accept his polish Criminal records as they had heard that polish courts had the right to remove things of their records if they so chose to do after a period of time !!

so they refuse him and instructed the officers not only to investigate this rumour but all 28 EU countrys proceedures when carrying such criminal record checks

so now we have a local authority that does not accept the EU conditions and the freedom of movement across europe


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this driver had got a CRB check in this country by the other councils but this could only go back the several months he had been here

north tyneside would not accept his polish Criminal records as they had heard that polish courts had the right to remove things of their records if they so chose to do after a period of time !!

so they refuse him and instructed the officers not only to investigate this rumour but all 28 EU countrys proceedures when carrying such criminal record checks

so now we have a local authority that does not accept the EU conditions and the freedom of movement across europe


And then my opinion they acted correctly, maybe not lawfully, but correctly

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MR T wrote:
ians wrote:
this driver had got a CRB check in this country by the other councils but this could only go back the several months he had been here

north tyneside would not accept his polish Criminal records as they had heard that polish courts had the right to remove things of their records if they so chose to do after a period of time !!

so they refuse him and instructed the officers not only to investigate this rumour but all 28 EU countrys proceedures when carrying such criminal record checks

so now we have a local authority that does not accept the EU conditions and the freedom of movement across europe


And then my opinion they acted correctly, maybe not lawfully, but correctly


help me out here mr t your saying doing things that may not be lawfull as a council can still be correct ?

please explain ?


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A English drivers CRB check goes back to the day he was born, this condition was accepted in many areas by the professional hackney drivers,If a person from abroad wishes to be a Taxi Driver or private hire driver then their CRB check should be to the same standard or not be licensed until their country can provide checks of the same quality . otherwise there is no point in a advanced CRB check at all.


PS , if it helps you at all, I am a great believer in the saying that( if that is the law then the is a Ass)..

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MR T wrote:
A English drivers CRB check goes back to the day he was born, this condition was accepted in many areas by the professional hackney drivers,If a person from abroad wishes to be a Taxi Driver or private hire driver then their CRB check should be to the same standard or not be licensed until their country can provide checks of the same quality . otherwise there is no point in a advanced CRD check at all.


he also held a Polish Criminal record check that coverd the whole of his life which had been translated into english by a proffesional translator

it was the fact that they had simply heard that courts can take convictions off a record after 10 years (which was not true) they turned him down. because they did not want to say yes and could not say no they went for the play for time move


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The CRB can trace my history back to birth.

Driving Taxis and Private Hire vehicles (I have been told) is an exempt position under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act, so I must declare any convictions whether others would consider them spent or not.

I don't believe that it is out of turn to expect that everyone else wishing to enter a trade where I have been subjected to such rigorous checking should not have to.

If certain areas are more interested in revenue than high standards and ultimately fairness to everyone, then under current legislation anyone without a fully check-able history can be licensed in an area with relatively low standards YET STILL WORK in an area with higher standards.

My opinion is that before a person has a job dealing with the vulnerable within our society, then at least a 5 year check able work history within the UK should be a minimum entry standard.

I know that some will disagree with this, but there needs to be a proposal for debate.

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When we checked into the Polish system we were told that they only went back 10 years, when we check with other countries some were five and some were less, as some did not do anything at all,

If an English-born person does not provide a CRB check they will not be given a licence, but on the other hand depending on which country you come from within the EU they will..... hardly seems fair...... but then it's the British....

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The CRB can trace my history back to birth.

Driving Taxis and Private Hire vehicles (I have been told) is an exempt position under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act, so I must declare any convictions whether others would consider them spent or not.

I don't believe that it is out of turn to expect that everyone else wishing to enter a trade where I have been subjected to such rigorous checking should not have to.

If certain areas are more interested in revenue than high standards and ultimately fairness to everyone, then under current legislation anyone without a fully check-able history can be licensed in an area with relatively low standards YET STILL WORK in an area with higher standards.

My opinion is that before a person has a job dealing with the vulnerable within our society, then at least a 5 year check able work history within the UK should be a minimum entry standard.

I know that some will disagree with this, but there needs to be a proposal for debate.

B. Lucky :D


we this is to you and Mr T !!

our CRB check is no GOLD standard because if you believe it is tell that to Mr Huntleys victims familys !!

GA it is true to say a person who has been resident in the UK for 5 years or more can apply at any council enter his form for CRB checking at it will come back all clear !! he then gets a badge !!

now i tell you that in the country he came from seven years ago he was a convicted criminal

it must be better to have his history from his home country than to accept some one just because he has been here five years


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Are you referring to the standard CRB check or the advanced CRB check,

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I accept the shortcomings of the CRB check.

I just think that there needs to be some comaprison with the checks I'm subjected to to that of someone from the EU.

Obviously you have more experience of this than I do, but the stories of corruption in these countries have some basis .................. and I don't think its to much to ask for everyone to be checked to the same levels.

The 5 year thing was a proposal for debate as I don't have the experience of other countries checks to offer a firm opinion or suggestion.

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Are you referring to the standard CRB check or the advanced CRB check,


theirs is advanced from there home country as well covering whole of life

anyway we have bus drivers driving six seventy kids about who dont have CRB check in this country so who are we to comment !!

bus drivers dont need CRB as the job is classified as "NON DISCRIPT"


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ians wrote:
MR T wrote:
Are you referring to the standard CRB check or the advanced CRB check,


theirs is advanced from there home country as well covering whole of life

anyway we have bus drivers driving six seventy kids about who dont have CRB check in this country so who are we to comment !!

bus drivers dont need CRB as the job is classified as "NON DISCRIPT"


Something the GMBPDB will be discussing with the minister when they meet.

B. Lucky :D

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ians wrote:
MR T wrote:
Are you referring to the standard CRB check or the advanced CRB check,


theirs is advanced from there home country as well covering whole of life

anyway we have bus drivers driving six seventy kids about who dont have CRB check in this country so who are we to comment !!

bus drivers dont need CRB as the job is classified as "NON DISCRIPT"


Something the GMBPDB will be discussing with the minister when they meet.

B. Lucky :D


well maybe we should not be having double standards until such things are clarified a bit late to be discussing it with the minister after the horse has bolted so to speak !!


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ians wrote:
MR T wrote:
Are you referring to the standard CRB check or the advanced CRB check,


theirs is advanced from there home country as well covering whole of life

anyway we have bus drivers driving six seventy kids about who dont have CRB check in this country so who are we to comment !!

bus drivers dont need CRB as the job is classified as "NON DISCRIPT"


I am not a bus driver nor do I work in a nursing home so I can only speak from a Hackney point of view.

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