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The changing world of Wayne Casey.

After Andy Gladen had been successful in the court of appeal Wayne Casey said this.

The recent case in Brentwood, where a judge ruled that hackney carriages should not pay for private hire operators' licences, was a victory;

The victory he speaks of is self explanatory but when the penny finally dropped he realised that the ruling had far greater consequencies. Somewhere down the line he realised that although this judgment allowed the hackney carriage and private hire driver greater freedom and control over how they operate it could have a severe effect on radio circuits who would undoubtedly lose income from private hire drivers licensing themselves as hackneys and then working independently without the need of a private hire operators license. Likewise with hackney carriage drivers, those hackneys such as the ones in Trafford who were paying high radio rentals could move their labour to another circuit in another authority that charged a lot less.

This is just one of the freedoms Mr Casey and his misguided unrepresentative disciples wish to take away from all of US.

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"2004 Wayne Casey NTA said "The NTA conference is an opportunity for the taxi trade to question the people that matter".

Mr Casey obviously thinks that the NTA is the taxi trade. That means he is putting those persons who make up the NTA, above you, me and everyone else in the UK who isn't a member of the NTA secret society. However he welcomes the fact that he and NTA members can ask questions of those that matter, it may leave you a little bewildered when the same person and organisation refuse to answer questions for you guys in the taxi trade who I think also matter.

Mr Casey went on to express his feelings about open consultation and exchange of ideas and information when he let it be known how he felt about advising those who were not a part of the NTA. He said,

I can recall 12 months ago attending a meeting and being asked what the NTA was doing about something, this came from an association who were not members! I am no longer going to listen to these people (not that I listened in the first place) and intend to treat them with the contempt I feel they deserve.

Mr Casey or the NTA hasn't changed its views on openness since 2004 and they are unlikely to change in the future. The standard of representation in my opinion is low and therefore it is easy to understand why most of the reps are easily lead.

It is somewhat refreshing to know that anyone who isn't a signed up member of the NTA is treated with contempt.

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Wayne Casey on behalf of the NTA in his first ever article for Taxitalk magazine in 2003 gave the impression that the NTA was a national body representing the hackney carriage trade. Nothing was further from the truth. What Mr Casey failed to mention is that the NTA represent a minority of Taxi owners that just happen to be affiliated members of the NTA.

Presumption is a commodity that the NTA has made its own, however, reality has a way of bringing Presumptuous people right down to earth.

As a national body, we represent the hackney trade, not private hire, not the buses. We are only interested in hackneys

I notice Mr Casey uses the royal "WE" but Its a pity he didn't state the facts that WE as he puts it, only represented a minority of Taxi owners in the UK.

At least we now know who Mr Casey represents because the Royla WE explains it all.

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I'm off out for the day but when I return it would be nice to read some answers as to why these Taxi representatives who represent the minority of hackney carriage owners and drivers in this country want us to become private hire drivers in everything but name?

Caseys CRB point has been well and truly sunk so lets see what other excuses you proponents for adverse change can come up with?

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bitter much? :lol:

And you represent who exactly JD? you havent even the b*lls to come out of the closet.

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Oh dear taxis, I imagine your going to have difficulty sleeping this weekend knowing that impending doom is on the horizon.

I tell you what.....I will do my best and persuade other stakeholders not to take these contentious ideas forward.....including the bits that are not on here such as exemptions. :lol:

Do you have kittens often JD?

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I'm still not sure that these proposals are pointing at the right folks. Surely it should be the operators that need looking at.

If they kept sec 46 1(c) as it is, i.e. only a PH op needs an operator's license, but kept the amendments to sec 46 1(e) which would mean any person with an operator's license can only give work to vehicles licensed in the same area, would that not sort the Berwick situations, but allow hackneys to carry on as they are? :?

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Sussex wrote:
I'm still not sure that these proposals are pointing at the right folks. Surely it should be the operators that need looking at.

If they kept sec 46 1(c) as it is, i.e. only a PH op needs an operator's license, but kept the amendments to sec 46 1(e) which would mean any person with an operator's license can only give work to vehicles licensed in the same area, would that not sort the Berwick situations, but allow hackneys to carry on as they are? :?


I suppose at some stage I'll have to read this especially bearing in mind according to JD I have an awful lot to do with it...even though I dont.

I suppose at some point someone is going to have to mention exemptions....presumably this will be MrT just after JD has given birth to the second litter today.

That aside, I suppose it will make for good banter over a pint of guinness.

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No pal I will not have difficulty sleeping this weekend.
But if you agree with these proposals and are not even prepared to compromise or even understand the situation people can put others in by having "buzzy body's" altering our lives. Maybe it is you that needs to stay awake and have a bit of a think about the effect the foolish proposal can and will have on others.
I am pleased you called the situation DOOM at lease we agree on something.


I dont think I have said jack sh*t about them.

The one thing that seems to come out of the entire situation is one that was called for at least one year ago, namely for places like Derwentside and Berwick and Eden to have knowledge tests.

This has apparently happened in both your area and Eden, presumably this will cut down, if not completely out, with the donor plate scenario, and it wont affect the legitimate trade in your area at all.

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As usual Mr JD (and how do we know if you drive or have ever driven a cab) is blowing out of all proportion this whole incident ................ so as to further berate Mr Casey personally and the NTA generally.

He seems to be giving little attention to the fact that it was neither Mr Casey or the NTA that made these proposals for discussion .............. is this just because he is afraid of confronting the true proposers.

Regardless of merit, these are proposals for discussion by a group in which members have equal opportunity to comment and debate issues raised.

The NTA will not comment ............. nor I doubt will any other representative group and the reason for this is clearly that they would have to present the document to their membership prior to any official statement being given, for their consideration.

I'm always suspicious of JD's motivation ................. and the way he has applied his unique "spin" to this case mirrors many others which only highlight his hatred and jealousy of a person who stands up for what he believes in and the organisation he is an integral part of.

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Mr Taxis ................... you have become embroiled in the state of confusion instigated by the member known as JD.

These "proposals" are proposals for discussion and not (as JD would have you believe) proposals for implementation.

Trying to find a way to ensure that the driver of a vehicle works in a way that the laws he is granted his licence under are properly enforced is not something that can be achieved easily ......................... and I'm sure that when this "proposal for discussion" is fully discussed then it will be found that the proposals as written are not in the interest of the trade.

The basic function of a HC is to accept immediate hiring's, I suggest that maybe everyone should consider this very basic fact during this debate.

It strikes me that this is another item confused by the 1976 Act ............. and I suggest again that the 1976 Act be scrapped and immidiate implimentation nation-wide of the London PH Act.

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Sussex wrote:
I'm still not sure that these proposals are pointing at the right folks. Surely it should be the operators that need looking at.

If they kept sec 46 1(c) as it is, i.e. only a PH op needs an operator's license, but kept the amendments to sec 46 1(e) which would mean any person with an operator's license can only give work to vehicles licensed in the same area, would that not sort the Berwick situations, but allow hackneys to carry on as they are? :?



Agreed.

However if a PH operator used only HC from outside his licensing area then there would be NO requirement for an operators licence at all.

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