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Some changes that are needed are quite straightforward and elementary and do not need a great deal of debate in order for everyone to understand the advantages. Here are one or two that I assume fit that category.

These suggestions were highlighted by Sussex and would be high on my agenda for change.
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Sussex suggested that A licensing authority will allow all licensed taxi and private hire vehicles to be fitted with an approved CCTV.

This is of course paramount and is high on the list of necessary changes. I’ll formulate the wording as soon as possible in order for it to meet the requirements of both the Cab trade and the DPA in respect of the law and public protection of data.

Another proposal by Sussex.

Any person issued with a full hackney carriage license shall also be able to drive any licensed private hire vehicle licensed by the same district.

Quite right. We all know that there is no reason why a hackney carriage license should not substitute as a private hire license. In fact the hackney carriage license could be known as a hackney carriage and private hire license. Anyone not wishing to obtain such a license can avail themselves of a normal private hire license.

Also incorporated in this amendment would be the “mandatory” duty of a licensing authority to offer a one, two, or three year driver license. All the above amendments will have some meat on their bones in the next few days if not later today?

Bus Lanes.

The problem with bus lanes is that it comes under a different act and by law councils have the right to decide who can use them. There is a great deal of controversy on who should and shouldn't use bus lanes but if changes to legislation were proposed then those changes might read "something" like this.

Any section of road, street or highway in England and Wales, designated as a separate lane for buses including any other form of transport, public or otherwise, shall not exclude motorised hackney carriages or private hire licensed vehicles under the 1976 LGMPA.
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A clause would have to be inserted prohibiting certain use where road traffic "no entry signs" are in use, under circumstances where a bus lane proceeds into a bus station or terminus?

We also have to factor tram-lines into the equation?

Regards

JD

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Well if that were the case ........... why would the current trade, who already have vehicles licensed be concerned. I say this because if they didn't have to get rid of their vehicles when they are 8 years THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BUY A 3 YEAR OLD CAR now would they.



But Steve more than half of the people complaining are actually part of the problem if that constitutes your argument.


Yes there was not as many drivers at the time ![/quote]





Drivers should think LOCAL mate ................ their licenses are granted by their LOCAL authority .......... they apply the laws and by-laws. As much as people want National legislation, and I believe in it, its a long way off .............. possibly even beyond our lifetime.



Yeah mate see you Tuesday

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

lol....OK I give in....lol
I cant win a bloody argument on here anytime...

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Join the gmb ?



CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

I would rather dig my own kneecap out with a rusty old spoon

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CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Its all in a nights fun mate...But he did become very insulting on the subject of field sports !!!!!!
Anyways I thought it was a good piece of advertising that pic I had to quickly do....hehehehehe

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Drivers should think LOCAL mate ................ their licenses are granted by their LOCAL authority .......... they apply the laws and by-laws. As much as people want National legislation, and I believe in it, its a long way off .............. possibly even beyond our lifetime.

There is a long way go in this thread but eventually all amendments and deletions will be highlighted by me as to why they need changing.

Its no good making changes for the sake of making changes because we all know that there has to be reasons for change? You will notice that this is something the meeting of minds group has consistently failed to explain, quite frankly knowing their blinkered agenda I'm not surprised.

Laws that work against the Modern day taxi and private hire driver will be exposed and it will be up to us to do something about it because as history tells us, no one else will.

Regards

JD

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The word pompous springs to mind.

You forgot to mention that the proposals will be your opinion ......... and not the opinion of every driver in the UK ......... you've said the representative bodies shouldn't assume they represent everyone and I suggest that you should accept the fact that you as an individual don't either.



And in order to propoerly decide upon "resons for change" which will form a proposal for change then you will need the backing of the majority of the people who support you in the making of proposals.

I doubt you will get the support of the majority of the UK taxi and private hire trade.

GMB democratic ........... NTA democratic ............ T&G democratic ......... TDO dictatorship.



Thus ends the party political broadcast from the TDO Taxi Party .......... seeking to take over representing the taxi trade with less than 100 supporters.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

Skippy lets be realistic ............ a new cab act would take years to put together to make it leagl and enforceable, then there would be a run in time so if we started now then a new cab act wouldn't actually be imlimented until as late as 2015.

Changing LAWS is a long and drawn out process.

I should also remind you that the Scottish people decided to govern themselves and remove the law making decisions away from London ............. are you confident that they would allow London to decide these new laws.

B. Lucky

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Skull on TDO

TF pi$$ed on his chips.

I'm confident they wouldn't

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Some may not agree with this proposal but it does need looking at. There is no reason why a proprietor or spouse who doesn’t hold a hackney carriage drivers license to ply for hire should be penalised when driving their vehicle for the purpose of social domestic or pleasure? We recently had a case where a proprietor who wasn’t licensed as a driver was brought before the courts for this very offence?

Something needs to be done because at the end of the day the license only applies to plying for hire but at all other times the vehicle functions as a normal car when not being used as a taxi.

Such a clause might also negate the small tax burden which applies to the mileage used for domestic and personal use.

Amendment to section 46 1847 act. Insert the words

A hackney carriage drivers license shall not be required by any person to drive a licensed motorised hackney carriage if the vehicle is being used for the sole purpose of social, domestic or pleasure.

46 Drivers not to act without first obtaining a licence No person shall act as driver of any hackney carriage licensed in pursuance of this or the special Act to ply for hire within the prescribed distance without first obtaining a licence from the commissioners, which licence shall be registered by the clerk to the commissioners, [and such fee as the commissioners may determine shall be paid] for the same; and every such licence shall be in force until the same is revoked except during the time that the same may be suspended as after mentioned. A hackney carriage drivers license shall not be required by any person to drive a licensed motorised hackney carriage if the vehicle is being used for the sole purpose of social, domestic or pleasure.

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Sections 48 and 49 of the 1847 act to be repealed.

There is no justification in these modern times for a hackney carriage driver not to be in possession of his own hackney carriage drivers license certificate, at all times. Therefore sections 48 and 49 are irrelevant. All that is required when entering into a contract with a proprietor is that the proprietor is satisfied that the documentation is authentic. Any queries on the documentation can be ironed out with a quick telephone call to the licensing authority.
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48 Proprietor to retain licences of drivers, and to produce the same before justices on complaint In every case in which the proprietor of any such hackney carriage permits or employs any licensed person to act as the driver thereof, such proprietor shall cause to be delivered to him, and shall retain in his possession, the licence of such driver, while such driver remains in his employ; and in all cases of complaint, where the proprietor of a hackney carriage is summoned to attend before a justice, or to produce the driver, the proprietor so summoned shall also produce the licence of such driver, if he be then in his employ; and if any driver complained of be adjudged guilty of the offence alleged against him, such justice shall make an endorsement upon the licence of such driver, stating the nature of the offence and amount of the penalty inflicted; and if any such proprietor neglect to have delivered to him and to retain in his possession the licence of any driver while such driver remains in his employ, or if he refuse or neglect to produce such licence as aforesaid, such proprietor shall for every such offence be liable to a penalty not exceeding [level 1 on the standard scale].

Amendment Maximum penalty increased by the Criminal Law Act 1977, s 31(6), and converted to ; level on the standard scale by the Criminal Justice Act 1982, ss 37, 46.

49 Proprietor to return licence to drivers except in case of misconduct
When any driver leaves the service of the proprietor by whom he is employed without having been guilty of any misconduct, such proprietor shall forthwith return to such driver the licence belonging to him; but if such driver have been guilty of any misconduct, the proprietor shall not return his licence, but shall give him notice of the complaint which he intends to prefer against him, and shall forthwith summon such driver to appear before any justice to answer the said complaint; and such justice, having the necessary parties before him, shall inquire into and determine the matter of complaint, and if upon inquiry it appear that the licence of such driver has been improperly withheld, such justice shall direct the immediate re-delivery of such licence, and award such sum of money as he thinks proper to be paid by such proprietor to such driver by way compensation.

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We all know that at times we are confronted with undesirable persons or even persons who are that large in size they could damage your vehicle, especially if your vehicle is a saloon car? For the purpose of section 52 of the 1847 act the words “without reasonable cause” should be inserted so that the passage below reads as follows.

52 Penalty for neglect to exhibit the number, or for refusal to carry the prescribed number If the proprietor of any hackney carriage permit the same to be used, employed, or let to hire, or if any person stand or ply for hire with such carriage, without having the number of persons to be carried thereby painted and exhibited in manner aforesaid, or if the driver of any such hackney carriage refuse “without reasonable cause”, when required by the hirer thereof, to carry in or by such hackney carriage the number of persons painted thereon, or any less number, every proprietor or driver so offending shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding [level 1 on the standard scale].
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Section 53 of the 1847 act sets out the penalty for refusing to drive but this section needs defining as to the words “reasonable excuse”. I therefore propose to insert a clause that defines many of the circumstances amounting to reasonable excuse and cap it off with the words “or any other reasonable cause”. This will assist cab drivers no end because at least they will know just exactly what amounts to reasonable cause because in this day and age of murders and frequent assaults we certainly need to know where we stand?

53 Penalty on driver for refusing to drive A driver of a hackney carriage standing at any of the stands for hackney carriages appointed by the commissioners, or in any street, who refuses or neglects, without reasonable excuse, to drive such carriage to any place within the prescribed distance, or the distance to be appointed by any byelaw of the commissioners, not exceeding the prescribed distance, to which he is directed to drive by the person hiring or wishing to hire such carriage, shall for every such offence be liable to a penalty not exceeding [level 2 on the standard scale].

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