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I am sure that the first part is not allowed. The contract exemption in Scotland only applies to vehicles up to 8 passenger seats.

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Grandad,

These AVIS restrictions are for insurance purposes, intended to avoid high risk drivers. I believe some can be waived for an additional charge to cover increased insurance (could be wrong though).

What AVIS don't do is give you a list of companies who supply drivers and tell you you must use one of them.
They do allow you the option of driving it your self, as in self drive

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But Avis don't give you a list of drivers that can drive it.

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IDFIMH

If the hirer meets the criteria set by the insurance company with regard to experience then they CAN drive it themselves.

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Grandad,

How do the insurance companies define experience?

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Former taxi driver

But out of 1000 self drive hires, I bet it never happens.

I'm more of a real world man myself.

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IDFIMH

I just want to know the name of an insurance company that will insure anyone with a normal DVLA license to drive £150,000+ hummer without any experience.

Again the hummer folks are living in a world of their own.

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IDFIMH

Must say, very nice explanation by the council, might just use the link to my customers when they ask do I know of any good limo firms. I do have one in my area who is licensed by the LA and just pass on his number.

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you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave.

Why wouldnt the first part be allowed...you can charge whatever you like...and there is no law that stops you working unpaid if you volunteer to do so....also i was thinking more on Vehicles of only upto 8 seats..EG Luxury saloon cars, people carriers and the likes...Not Minibuses.

I wasn't aware insurance companies made it a condition that a vehicle would only be insured if it was driven by a person from a particular agency? I was always under the impression insurance policies related to the classification of a drivers license, the age of the person driving and their driving record?

I also wasn't aware that Avis had a blanket policy excluding all people over a required minimum age who hold a valid license from hiring one of their vehicles unless they belonged to a certain club or agency?

Unlike Avis and every other self drive hire company that operates legitimately I have yet to find a self drive hire limo company who advertise their rates and terms of conditions for the self drive hire of their vehicles. Don't you think that is rather odd considering these companies are supposedly operating a self drive hire business?

What conclusions do you think a judge might draw when informed by the limo company director that although the business is advertised as self drive hire they do not allow any member of the public to actually hire and drive the vehicle themselves?

I can think of a million negative observations a judge might make and I know there are many on TDO who agree but it would be interesting to read your opinion of why a judge would agree with your observation that this form of hire was indeed "self drive hire" and not "hire or reward"?



On the contrary there is a big difference because the conditions set out in any Avis or other reputable self drive hire companies policies are unilateral across the board and only apply to age and the type of license required to drive the particular vehicle in question. They do not discriminate on the grounds that a person has to be from a particular agency or employed by Avis. Therefore your point is a mere distraction from the actuality of what transpires in the real world.

I would like to focus your attention and anyone else in the limo trade, on the position of those in the hire or reward trade who are licensed.

Those of us who operate under a license do not have a vendetta against limo companies per say. If that was the case we would be bemoaning every limo operation in existence. You have never seen anyone on here criticise limo companies who operate legally under license and that is because it is not limo vehicles that are the problem but those who think they should be allowed to operate unlicensed.

To us it doesn't matter which vehicle or driver is operating unlicensed because they all fit into the same category. This country hasn't yet reached the stage where someone can buy a vehicle and expect the licensing regulations to be bent in order that they can accommodate something which does not conform to licensing legislation.

When buying any type of vehicle for hire or reward it might be prudent to consider the laws of licensing before parting with any hard earned cash.

Regards

JD

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Oh aye, next time my badge needs renewed I'll just tell the cooncil that I'm just hiring oot my taxi and I'm driving drunken radges aboot at 2am for the fun of it

That wouldn't work because you need a badge to drive a licensed vehicle.

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Grandad,

And you also need a license to drive for 'hire and reward', as long as a licensed vehicle.

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IDFIMH

I find it rather bizarre, and somewhat disturbing, that people are willing to put the publics safety at risk just to make money. This self drive system seems somewhat floored, if and even more so, when an operator goes before the man to defend himself in a court.

Why run the risk of such dealings. I would support a man if there limousines (over 8 people) where COIF'd AND and they were running it to the letter of the law.

I'm sure, one of these days, someone will fall foul and through this self drive loop hole, and land with a considerable bump, thus putting the whole self drive system in to a bad light.

Surely, if you can COIF one, then they should ALL be COIF'd. And if this is far to an expensive option, then why buy such a vehicle in the first place?

A legitimate limousine company would have its investments / assets well covered if such eventualities should accor.

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Oi ! get back to work